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Buzzi on 27 January 2011

Too many things to say now. I've always been a Nintendo fan, so I'll get a 3DS D1, but I just don't understand how they could choose to not have trophies! That and the region lock are the only things we can complain about.

The NGP on the other hand seems much more than a console, even the line up is beautiful for Sony fans, but there's not that much for other type of gamers. I guess we'll know better in the future, but for now the line up of the 3DS is just too great to be compared with anything else (I suspect Nintendo decided to have bigger games in Q4 just to fight with Sony, good choice). Yeah, there are some good ideas (two analogs, better specs, trophies) but for sure it'll cost more than 400$, and the games will cost more too (60-70$). I think this is a bad point again for Sony, they're going to compete with iPad/iPod more than 3DS with this price: while the 3DS will sell because of its name and many attractive points, the NGP has just the powerful factor to attract gamers as of now.

We'll see a lot in the next months for sure.



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mai on 27 January 2011
Chibi.V.29 said:
mai said:

Chibi.V.29 said:

All im trying to say is that no company is invincible. the ps3 was supposed to be unstoppable because of how well ps1 and 2 had done. 3ds is supposed to be unstoppable because of how well DS and GB did. And yet things often dont turn out that way. Thats all im trying to say xD

Well, the standpoint "everything can happen" is good and got you covered from various angles, but 1) it's boring to discuss; 2) it's not a standpoint at all, just a confession of our inability to perceive reality in all it's complexity and make plausible predictions out of previous experience.


Lol i had a long argument with someone about how predicting this kind of stuff is pointless xD

WTF? Are you arguing the bare basics of scientific cognition of the world? O_o



Chibi.V.29 on 27 January 2011
mai said:
Chibi.V.29 said:
mai said:

Chibi.V.29 said:

All im trying to say is that no company is invincible. the ps3 was supposed to be unstoppable because of how well ps1 and 2 had done. 3ds is supposed to be unstoppable because of how well DS and GB did. And yet things often dont turn out that way. Thats all im trying to say xD

Well, the standpoint "everything can happen" is good and got you covered from various angles, but 1) it's boring to discuss; 2) it's not a standpoint at all, just a confession of our inability to perceive reality in all it's complexity and make plausible predictions out of previous experience.


Lol i had a long argument with someone about how predicting this kind of stuff is pointless xD

WTF? Are you arguing the bare basics of scientific cognition of the world? O_o

Hahaha i was saying to him there was no point :P he said we could accurately guess, i just replied with O_O



Yeah i know my spelling sucks but im dysgraphic so live with it :3    

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Chibi.V.29 on 27 January 2011
Xen said:
Chibi.V.29 said:


Yh that was what i was saying to him :P if you dont include games then the ps3 is the only one that hasnt benefited sony.

Yeah, that damn grill of broken dreams :P


Hahaha but it shore can cooks burgers to perfection :3



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pacman91 on 27 January 2011
Degausser said:
pacman91 said:
Degausser said:

It does take a brave man to bet against Nintendo, and I think I also agree that the 3DS should win sales wise, but I don't think it'll be as clear cut as the DS vs PSP - albeit that's more because I simply see the 3DS not having a hope in hell of selling like the DS, whereas the PSP2 looks well poised to do similiar numbers to the PSP.

 While Sony so far has shown the PSP2 similiar to doing the PSP strategy, there are upsides to this. They'll see alot more software support (If it's true that for eg Lost Planet 2 took 2 weeks to port to the device) and it does allow them to create software that distinguishes itself from the rising phone games market. It's worth remembering that not every game is going to be an Uncharted or Killzone, that the Android IoS will lead to more 'portable' style of games priced appropriately and that Sony will inevitably 'show off' the big, graphical behemoths first as that's the systems biggest selling point.

 Further to this, I think Nintendo's current strategy with the 3DS can be critiqued as similiar to the PSP's anyway. Unlike the DS - which sold on having a touch screen and being accessible to anyone, the 3DS's biggest selling point has been 3D - something that makes games look prettier... just like the PSP2's biggest selling point. Further to this, outside of Nintendogs 2, their software line up is very 'console centric' too - Zelda:OoT, MGS3, Street Fighter, Dead Or Alive, Paper Mario, Starfox 64 etc...

 I think the PSP2 has potential but whether it can hit it depends on what Sony does from here, and how they treat the device in the next 2 years. For me the PSP's biggest downfall is after a solid launch, software support simply dried up and they didn't have enough to keep the userbase enticed, so eventually people stopped buying software (Obviously PIracy didn't help). Sony need to consistently release games that actually get any marketing, we'll see.

 I can envision bomberman and pilotwings being great for on-the-go gaming.

 Maybe, but people would be quick to write off pilotwings as a 'console' type game seeing as all it's previous iterations were on consoles. Otherwise yanno, I could argue they'll make a handheld friendly resistance, or killzone or something. 

 Bomberman could be okay but PSP will inevitably have a downloadable version for like $10 on PSN, and I'd guess 3DS will eventually too...

I guess we have to classify what a traditional portable friendly title is.  It's been forever since I've played a pilotwings game, but as I remember it, the classic portable feeling could be there.  Shoot, 80% of the potential consumers probably haven't played pilotwings before.  Of course consumers can be fickle, so we shall see.

Hudson's in progress bomberman title could very well be via a download service.  If online play is smooth, I could see it being an attractive game to the portable crowd.



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zgamer5 on 27 January 2011
xeroxm3 said:
zgamer5 said:
xeroxm3 said:
zgamer5 said:
xeroxm3 said:

I understand that having a portable PS3 sounds cool in theory, but isn't that a bit redundant? I dunno about you guys but I like my home console and handheld experiences to be different. Sure, people who are really into trophies will probably eat this up but what about the average consumer?


psp2 has a touch screen, gyro accelators(or whatever theyr called), its not a ps3. yes its going to have ps3 ports. but its not the ps3 experience going handheld, its using aspects of the ps3 to improve, and to make it more social.

The touch screen and camera are the only new features and they've both been present in many other devices so far. The gyroscope, while probably much more accurate than six axis, is still of a similar ilk to the PS3's controllers. It has potential for sure however this feels very similar to the PSP to me. Was I the only one who was half expecting Sony to actually be ballsy and try something outside the box?

what their are dual analog sticks, and the touch buttons on the back. also its going to have a cloud system and 3g(im ot sure if its pad subscription) and multiple ways to play a game(according to ign in the uncharted demo you can use butons or the touch screen an buttons). other then that its going to have trophies

and thats not ballsy?

What was the PSP's strategy? It was to reproduce home console gaming for a handheld platform. What is the NGP's strategy? It is to reproduce home console gaming for a handheld platform. I was kinda hoping Sony would put all their emphasis on the UI and form factor. Maybe I'm crazy but this whole upcoming handheld generation just feels like round 2 to me. Two stubborn japanese electronics companies sticking with the same exact strategies. One wanting the same outcome and the other wanting the opposite outcome.


the ngp does produce console gaming for a handheld platform(with the addition of the other analog stick) but like i said before it has multiple ways of usage. so not only does it reproduce console gaming, but it also reproduces another way of gaming. also nintendo is also trieng to reproduce home console gaming on a handheld with the addition of the circle pad, but to a lesser extent then the npg. all sony is doing is trieng to innovate and improve their handheld, and if that means home console like feature then so be it, at least their is an alternative.

dont call sony and nintendo stubborn, in the world of buisness the point is to make customers happy and get money(well mostly getting money), and nintendo is doing that, and sony is trieng to do so.



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zgamer5 on 27 January 2011
Buzzi said:

Too many things to say now. I've always been a Nintendo fan, so I'll get a 3DS D1, but I just don't understand how they could choose to not have trophies! That and the region lock are the only things we can complain about.

The NGP on the other hand seems much more than a console, even the line up is beautiful for Sony fans, but there's not that much for other type of gamers. I guess we'll know better in the future, but for now the line up of the 3DS is just too great to be compared with anything else (I suspect Nintendo decided to have bigger games in Q4 just to fight with Sony, good choice). Yeah, there are some good ideas (two analogs, better specs, trophies) but for sure it'll cost more than 400$, and the games will cost more too (60-70$). I think this is a bad point again for Sony, they're going to compete with iPad/iPod more than 3DS with this price: while the 3DS will sell because of its name and many attractive points, the NGP has just the powerful factor to attract gamers as of now.

We'll see a lot in the next months for sure.


sony are very bad when it comes to competitive prices( well currently) they always try to offer the best specs but at a higher price.



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silicon on 27 January 2011

3DS ..... although they are going after different markets.



Buzzi on 27 January 2011
zgamer5 said:
Buzzi said:

Too many things to say now. I've always been a Nintendo fan, so I'll get a 3DS D1, but I just don't understand how they could choose to not have trophies! That and the region lock are the only things we can complain about.

The NGP on the other hand seems much more than a console, even the line up is beautiful for Sony fans, but there's not that much for other type of gamers. I guess we'll know better in the future, but for now the line up of the 3DS is just too great to be compared with anything else (I suspect Nintendo decided to have bigger games in Q4 just to fight with Sony, good choice). Yeah, there are some good ideas (two analogs, better specs, trophies) but for sure it'll cost more than 400$, and the games will cost more too (60-70$). I think this is a bad point again for Sony, they're going to compete with iPad/iPod more than 3DS with this price: while the 3DS will sell because of its name and many attractive points, the NGP has just the powerful factor to attract gamers as of now.

We'll see a lot in the next months for sure.


sony are very bad when it comes to competitive prices( well currently) they always try to offer the best specs but at a higher price.

I know, I'm just saying that one of the reasons why there's a great possibility 3DS sells better than NGP is because of the price. I would've bought an NGP with all those features but just slightly more powerful than the 3DS for 300$ rather than a portable PS3 for, let's say, 400$. The 3DS market and the PSP2 markets are going to be really different, and while probably many NGP owners will have a 3DS because of the actual exclusives (if they remain like that), not many 3DS owner will have an NGP, because of "casual" games and little difference in features (camera looks a good choice, but won't be more important tha free-glasses 3D).



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zgamer5 on 27 January 2011
Buzzi said:
zgamer5 said:
Buzzi said:

Too many things to say now. I've always been a Nintendo fan, so I'll get a 3DS D1, but I just don't understand how they could choose to not have trophies! That and the region lock are the only things we can complain about.

The NGP on the other hand seems much more than a console, even the line up is beautiful for Sony fans, but there's not that much for other type of gamers. I guess we'll know better in the future, but for now the line up of the 3DS is just too great to be compared with anything else (I suspect Nintendo decided to have bigger games in Q4 just to fight with Sony, good choice). Yeah, there are some good ideas (two analogs, better specs, trophies) but for sure it'll cost more than 400$, and the games will cost more too (60-70$). I think this is a bad point again for Sony, they're going to compete with iPad/iPod more than 3DS with this price: while the 3DS will sell because of its name and many attractive points, the NGP has just the powerful factor to attract gamers as of now.

We'll see a lot in the next months for sure.


sony are very bad when it comes to competitive prices( well currently) they always try to offer the best specs but at a higher price.

I know, I'm just saying that one of the reasons why there's a great possibility 3DS sells better than NGP is because of the price. I would've bought an NGP with all those features but just slightly more powerful than the 3DS for 300$ rather than a portable PS3 for, let's say, 400$. The 3DS market and the PSP2 markets are going to be really different, and while probably many NGP owners will have a 3DS because of the actual exclusives (if they remain like that), not many 3DS owner will have an NGP, because of "casual" games and little difference in features (camera looks a good choice, but won't be more important tha free-glasses 3D).

true.

hopefully the launch price wont be 400$.

their are bjg differences in features when it comes to the 3ds and ngp but thats another issue. but i dont expect people to have both platforms like people have two consoles these days. prices are going up, and by the looks of it both consoles will have a mgs game and their might be lots of multiplats.



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