Yes.

lol....chill out Sorair, Shams always make threads like this....lol

Personally I think many Wii fans see the PS3's potential and thus resort to "pre-emptive strikes" and come to premature conclusions.

IMO the Wii is currently doing business in the lower end of the market. IMO it's premature to claim a cheaper slimline PS3 in the future couldn't do very well for this market segment in the future as well and significantly outsell the Wii.

Truly your understanding of manufacturing capacity and business is as dizzying as your understanding of the PS3's computer engineering.

I think Sony will see a big upswing this year -- about as big as you can hope to see for a $400 console. I'm hoping they'll sell about 10 million world wide in 2008. I may be a little optimistic about this, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

You don't understand the market. The PS3 could do much better at a significantly lower price point, of course. However far off that may be. But the PS3 cannot cannibalize all of the Wii's sales at any price point. There are a lot of people interested in what the Wii has to offer regardless of whether they're at all interested in gaming outside of the Wii. There is another group of people that will buy the Wii because it has so many good games from Nintendo themselves, and Nintendo is definitely living up to their name this generation.

Don't misunderstand the average consumer. Not only is the average consumer unable to see the difference between high def discs and standard discs, they're unable to recognize when their aspect ratio is wrong, when their TV is completely uncalibrated, that their surround sound is set to pro-logic 2 and they've got an unencoded stereo source, etc. The average consumer would connect their PS3 via composite and be done with it. These people see PS3 games and Wii games as video games, regardless of resolution or graphics, and they're interested in the Wii because they can more readily understand it.

You can convince yourself that the PS3 will do better because it is more powerful in the following X ways, or because it has the following X games coming out in 2008.  You may so thoroughly convince yourself so that you *know* this will happen.  

Sales trends for this type of product rarely make huge swings or truly surprise people who watch them closely. In order for Sony to really make a change to their sales trends, they'd need a new price point in every territory. Without it, they'd be lucky to sell 10 million next year -- and God knows I'm pulling for Sony to do at least that.

I assume he was asking for opinions to debate with.  You know, this being a forum, a forum to debate on.

The Wii holds the ace cards, IMHO. No price cuts thus far, so if sales start going down at all, then can knock a bit off the price and up they go again. I'd imagine production costs for the Wii have come down a fair bit from the start, so Nintendo would still be making a profit on them even after a price cut.

WiiFit is going to be huge huge huge in America, if marketed correctly (which I'd imagine it would be) That's going to help the Wii a lot.
Also different models of the Wii could come into production (different colours, DVD player capability, HDD etc) which will help sales.

They really do need to sort out the supply problem though. I'd imagine people are going to get fed up of waiting before long and give up on it. The Wii buzz isn't going to be around forever and I'd imagine Microsoft / Sony are trying their very best to bring their own control system / games out which will be in direct competition to the Wii.

Yeah, it's like the Wii sold great this week, no denying it, but now he has like three threads on how the other two will lose and now everyone's going apes**t insane because the Wii had 1.4 million + this week. 

MikeB said: MrPickles said: MikeB said: MrPickles said: Also, don't forget about the newfound VR functionality in Wii What do you mean by that? http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=12594 Not really something new (Didn't think it was new tech, but it's something that's not well-known by console users.  Just like motion sensing wasn't new with the Wii, but it brought it to the limelight.) (apart from using the Wii-mote for this) and only scratching the surface of technical possibilies, but watching the video may help people understand my statements from the distant past here at VGChartz: MikeB wrote: "there was the an Amiga based arcade games system called "The 1000CS Virtuality System" developed by Virtuality. The players would stand inside a "pod" and wear a helmet (headtracking) and gloves which sensed the players movements and translated them into actions in the virtual world." "Motion sensing usage in virtual reality 3D games is almost 2 decades old, initially there was mainly headtracking, but soon this was followed up with tennis games where you could hold a tennis racket or boxing games using gloves. Back in the good old days I could hardly imagine we wouldn't have this yet implemented for mass market products in people's homes today. Sadly consumer technologies advanced a lot slower than I had imagined in the 80s and early 90s." "In terms of current sales and market hype they do and the Wii-mote is a pretty innovative idea (although I would prefer a virtual reality solution at some point)."  "What I really would like to see however is a proper home virtual reality set with good head and hand tracking. The first virtual reality games released were done by Virtuality based on Amiga 3000 systems. One of the innovative games which predates both Wolfenstein 3D and Doom on the PC was Dactyl Nightmare from 1991. Unlike Wolfenstein 3D the game offered a true multiplayer 3D FPS environment (Deathmatch / Capture the Flag) with multiple height levels and a headset and joystick supporting proper head and hand tracking." "Some people would just use VR like some are using the Wii-mote, sitting in a lazy chair playing Wii sports. If you would play a racing game that would even be a natural position, IMO being able to move your head quickly to see who's driving next to you from an inside car perspective would be awesome. IMO future Gran Turismo and Motorstorm games support could boost such peripheral usage. With regard to eye strain, there must be better alternative options. In the end it's just an impression intepreted based on tje light caught by your eyes. I imagine a good VR solution would trick your brain into believing there's far more depth to the artificial vision than there really is" Imagine watching a movie in a virtual cinema (like in PS3's Home) and being able to look at the person sitting next to you discussing the movie. 8-)  JEDI COUNCIL, ANYONE??? 8-)

I just think it's awesome that this technology is already built in to the Wii.  No peripheral necessary (unless they wanted to give you a headband or glasses with lights built in).  If, for example, they did decide to implement this with, say, the PS3 and Home (which would be quite cool), they would only make a few applications that used it, because they couldn't guarantee that every PS3 owner would have the equipment.  However, everyone who has a Wii has access to the technology.

The only real question I have is if Nintendo will end up using this in their games--this guy has done tons of simple stuff with Wii that they haven't run with.  However, Miyamoto did say that Wii would eventually do stuff that we've never seen before, so...

Do you think that, if multiple people had the glasses (or headband), that they'd be able to get some type of pseudo-splitscreen going, where P1's 'screen' was projected on the right and P2 the left?  (or p1 right, p2, right-center, p3 left-centre, p4 left?)

 Fixed.

2008 will be different, because it seems like people forget that it was the wii's and ps3's first year. Also, ms and ninty haven't even revealed the majority of there 2008 lineups.
I expect a tighter race in 2008 and the real winner will be the gamer.