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sapphi_snake on 21 January 2011
Spankey said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

It seems like an incident like this seems to gain national (and international) attention about once a year, and (almost) always it is far more complicated than the initial knee-jerk reactions make it out to be ...

I suspect by the time this is over far more people will be asking "Why didn't anyone do anything when there were so many obvious signs?" than "Why did a 14 year old have a gun?"

Wouldn't the more logical thing to say be: "Why did they give him a gun when there were so many obvious signs?"

This story is yet again another reason why people shouldn't be allowed to own guns without passing a psychological exam.

 

OT: Take that gun ho Americans!


good point, but in this case the person undergoing the phych exam would have been the father, which might not have helped. private buying of guns to give to other people shouldn't be allowed imo, but i can't see any viable way of enforcing that.

 

oh yeah - in b4 "Son_I_am_Disappoint.jpg"

You mean this is not illegal over there??? As for the invfocring part, you;d think some peopel would be smart enough to respect laws meant to protect them.

 

As for the father, he probably gave the kid the gun because he had a "gun ho" mentality, which makes the outcome of this story very ironic.



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rocketpig on 21 January 2011
Spankey said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

It seems like an incident like this seems to gain national (and international) attention about once a year, and (almost) always it is far more complicated than the initial knee-jerk reactions make it out to be ...

I suspect by the time this is over far more people will be asking "Why didn't anyone do anything when there were so many obvious signs?" than "Why did a 14 year old have a gun?"

Wouldn't the more logical thing to say be: "Why did they give him a gun when there were so many obvious signs?"

This story is yet again another reason why people shouldn't be allowed to own guns without passing a psychological exam.

 

OT: Take that gun ho Americans!


good point, but in this case the person undergoing the phych exam would have been the father, which might not have helped. private buying of guns to give to other people shouldn't be allowed imo, but i can't see any viable way of enforcing that.

Outside of specific instances, it's not allowed. Transfer between spouses or family members is one of those exemptions (as it should be because family can transfer property between one another untaxed in most cases, plus the government would NEVER be able to stop it). They're called "straw purchases" and the ATF comes down like a hammer when they find them.

The thing is that any of those laws wouldn't really have helped in this case. It was father-to-son (no way you're stopping that) and it was a hunting rifle, which isn't tracked and checked with the voracity of a handgun or tactical rifle (this applies to almost any country, not just the US).




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homer on 21 January 2011

When I was 14 I had a gun, and I didn't turn out like that...



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HappySqurriel on 21 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

It seems like an incident like this seems to gain national (and international) attention about once a year, and (almost) always it is far more complicated than the initial knee-jerk reactions make it out to be ...

I suspect by the time this is over far more people will be asking "Why didn't anyone do anything when there were so many obvious signs?" than "Why did a 14 year old have a gun?"

Wouldn't the more logical thing to say be: "Why did they give him a gun when there were so many obvious signs?"

This story is yet again another reason why people shouldn't be allowed to own guns without passing a psychological exam.

 

OT: Take that gun ho Americans!

I'm not convinced that psych-tests would actually make a significant difference in reality ...

Between how difficult/complicated it can be to detect emotional problems and individuals who will create "10 minute psych-tests" and rubber stamp forms so people can buy guns it is highly unlikely that a significant number of people would be prevented from owning guns based on emotional problems.

Beyond this, I wasn't (necessarily) implying that the child had a mental condition ... I'm not making an accusation, but it is possible that he was abused and "snapped" or that he was being manipulated by someone else to do this.



Kasz216 on 21 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


That's like saying people shouldn't eat Pretzals because one person choked on it.

Aside of which how would that work?  His DAD bought the gun.

Besides what makes you think he'd fail a psyche test?  You don't even know the motive.  Chances are he came from an abusive family.  "Politest kid you'd ever know" and other reports of him having a regressed mentality?  Also apparently the police "made insignificant visits to the house before."

It'd be interesting to hear what those were about.

Crazy people don't usually just mass kill people then turn themselves in unless driven by stress 9 times outta 10... which isn't something you are going to find on psych evaluation.

Well I don't know how things are over there, but over here the dad would go straight to jail. If you're a gun owner it's illegal to let anyone else but yourself use your gun, and minors aren't allowed to even touch firearms.

As for the stress thing, well some people are more psychologically weak than others, and are more likely to crack. I'm sure that a psychiatrist could make that out.

Go to jail.... how?   Is he going to be in then backyards.

May I remind you that one of us has an actual degree in pschology?  What makes you think he even was more psychologically weak then others and more likely to crack?  Put anyone in an abusive household... see what the reactions are.



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sapphi_snake on 21 January 2011
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


That's like saying people shouldn't eat Pretzals because one person choked on it.

Aside of which how would that work?  His DAD bought the gun.

Besides what makes you think he'd fail a psyche test?  You don't even know the motive.  Chances are he came from an abusive family.  "Politest kid you'd ever know" and other reports of him having a regressed mentality?  Also apparently the police "made insignificant visits to the house before."

It'd be interesting to hear what those were about.

Crazy people don't usually just mass kill people then turn themselves in unless driven by stress 9 times outta 10... which isn't something you are going to find on psych evaluation.

Well I don't know how things are over there, but over here the dad would go straight to jail. If you're a gun owner it's illegal to let anyone else but yourself use your gun, and minors aren't allowed to even touch firearms.

As for the stress thing, well some people are more psychologically weak than others, and are more likely to crack. I'm sure that a psychiatrist could make that out.

Go to jail.... how?   Is he going to be in then backyards.

May I remind you that one of us has an actual degree in pschology?  What makes you think he even was more psychologically weak then others and more likely to crack?  Put anyone in an abusive household... see what the reactions are.

You don't work in psychology, do you?

And in Romania if you're a gun owner, it's illegal to give your gun to anyone esle.



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NotStan on 21 January 2011

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At least he got a triple headshot.

 

 



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Kasz216 on 21 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


That's like saying people shouldn't eat Pretzals because one person choked on it.

Aside of which how would that work?  His DAD bought the gun.

Besides what makes you think he'd fail a psyche test?  You don't even know the motive.  Chances are he came from an abusive family.  "Politest kid you'd ever know" and other reports of him having a regressed mentality?  Also apparently the police "made insignificant visits to the house before."

It'd be interesting to hear what those were about.

Crazy people don't usually just mass kill people then turn themselves in unless driven by stress 9 times outta 10... which isn't something you are going to find on psych evaluation.

Well I don't know how things are over there, but over here the dad would go straight to jail. If you're a gun owner it's illegal to let anyone else but yourself use your gun, and minors aren't allowed to even touch firearms.

As for the stress thing, well some people are more psychologically weak than others, and are more likely to crack. I'm sure that a psychiatrist could make that out.

Go to jail.... how?   Is he going to be in then backyards.

May I remind you that one of us has an actual degree in pschology?  What makes you think he even was more psychologically weak then others and more likely to crack?  Put anyone in an abusive household... see what the reactions are.

You don't work in psychology, do you?

And in Romania if you're a gun owner, it's illegal to give your gun to anyone esle.

Nope, though I'm guessing neither do you?

I actually know something about diagnosing people though.  Which is the point.  I think you have a generally ignorant view of psychological diagnosis.

And again... "How would anyone know."

Guy in Romania buys a gun.  Gives it to his son as a gift, it never leaves the house and they just use it to shoot targets in their backyard.

The cops would find out... how?



sapphi_snake on 21 January 2011
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


That's like saying people shouldn't eat Pretzals because one person choked on it.

Aside of which how would that work?  His DAD bought the gun.

Besides what makes you think he'd fail a psyche test?  You don't even know the motive.  Chances are he came from an abusive family.  "Politest kid you'd ever know" and other reports of him having a regressed mentality?  Also apparently the police "made insignificant visits to the house before."

It'd be interesting to hear what those were about.

Crazy people don't usually just mass kill people then turn themselves in unless driven by stress 9 times outta 10... which isn't something you are going to find on psych evaluation.

Well I don't know how things are over there, but over here the dad would go straight to jail. If you're a gun owner it's illegal to let anyone else but yourself use your gun, and minors aren't allowed to even touch firearms.

As for the stress thing, well some people are more psychologically weak than others, and are more likely to crack. I'm sure that a psychiatrist could make that out.

Go to jail.... how?   Is he going to be in then backyards.

May I remind you that one of us has an actual degree in pschology?  What makes you think he even was more psychologically weak then others and more likely to crack?  Put anyone in an abusive household... see what the reactions are.

You don't work in psychology, do you?

And in Romania if you're a gun owner, it's illegal to give your gun to anyone esle.

Nope, though I'm guessing neither do you?

I actually know something about diagnosing people though.  Which is the point.  I think you have a generally ignorant view of psychological diagnosis.

And again... "How would anyone know."

Guy in Romania buys a gun.  Gives it to his son as a gift, it never leaves the house and they just use it to shoot targets in their backyard.

The cops would find out... how?

Well, the neighbors will probably call the police when they hear the gun go off (people over here aren't gun crazy, so very few own guns, and everyone will think ). Also, target practice can only be done at special shooting ranges, not your backyard. And the son will be arrested if he's ever found in the possession of the gun, without owning a license, and having the gun registered.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kasz216 on 21 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


That's like saying people shouldn't eat Pretzals because one person choked on it.

Aside of which how would that work?  His DAD bought the gun.

Besides what makes you think he'd fail a psyche test?  You don't even know the motive.  Chances are he came from an abusive family.  "Politest kid you'd ever know" and other reports of him having a regressed mentality?  Also apparently the police "made insignificant visits to the house before."

It'd be interesting to hear what those were about.

Crazy people don't usually just mass kill people then turn themselves in unless driven by stress 9 times outta 10... which isn't something you are going to find on psych evaluation.

Well I don't know how things are over there, but over here the dad would go straight to jail. If you're a gun owner it's illegal to let anyone else but yourself use your gun, and minors aren't allowed to even touch firearms.

As for the stress thing, well some people are more psychologically weak than others, and are more likely to crack. I'm sure that a psychiatrist could make that out.

Go to jail.... how?   Is he going to be in then backyards.

May I remind you that one of us has an actual degree in pschology?  What makes you think he even was more psychologically weak then others and more likely to crack?  Put anyone in an abusive household... see what the reactions are.

You don't work in psychology, do you?

And in Romania if you're a gun owner, it's illegal to give your gun to anyone esle.

Nope, though I'm guessing neither do you?

I actually know something about diagnosing people though.  Which is the point.  I think you have a generally ignorant view of psychological diagnosis.

And again... "How would anyone know."

Guy in Romania buys a gun.  Gives it to his son as a gift, it never leaves the house and they just use it to shoot targets in their backyard.

The cops would find out... how?

Well, the neighbors will probably call the police when they hear the gun go off (people over here aren't gun crazy, so very few own guns, and everyone will think ). Also, target practice can only be done at special shooting ranges, not your backyard. And the son will be arrested if he's ever found in the possession of the gun, without owning a license, and having the gun registered.

So you can have a giant 4-5 acre backyard, and it'd be illegal to conduct target pratice in it?

That's... just stupid and imposing a law soley for the fact of imposing a law.