Oh shit, I'd forgotten that Sony was involved in that case!

I was refering to gaming.

Exactly... VHS, Betamax (i remember the case too), Cassettes, 8-tracks, etc., do you think Macrovision started with DVDs? think again... and in games i remember in the good ol' NES days that they put the "Seal of Quality" with a limit 5 games per company, and to make sure of that they even installed a lockout chip (the 10NES), that chip received more attacks than the middle east, even Atari Tengen tried to bypass the tech, but since they couldn't, they stole the patent, not independent hackers, ATARI TENGEN... the first successful  hack was the voltage spike, and i remember stores going wild over this, i remember the flood of pirate cartriges, and the legal J-ones with the adaptor taken by reverse engineering some old NES games...

And the SNES, they implemented some neat things to stop piracy like in Earthbound showing warnings, increasing the number of enemies, crashing the game and deleting the saves if the copy was unauthorized, of course, it was bypassed eventually...

Piracy has always existed, it didn't start with the Internet, and it's up to us to decide if we wanna do that or not, and it's a waste of time blaming hackers for what Sony didn't handle well (seriously, i'm still shocked by the level of stupidity in the implementation of ECDSA, it's a phreaking 90's standard, widely published and proven effective)...

The difference is you cannot JTAG any console and the number of consoles availble to hack are dwindling daily.  I doubt Sony can do anything to people now the master key has been extracted, it's a wide open door to the heart of the system to decrypt every other key.  The 360 root key has never been discovered to my knowledge  (if such a thing exists on the hardware) only the CPU key could be extracted which is unique for every console.

Root key has not been discovered for 360, but Jtag was a potential thread to online gaming on the 360 as well. Why can't you Jtag every console? CAuse MS fixed the issue quickly...and didn't waste time suing people that made the JTAG hack in the first place.

Still the same. There are dozens of illegal SNES cartridges everywhere. Even without the internet, which actually benefits police in finding people who make illegal copies and sells them, people would just make copies of the games and sell them at flea-markets like the old days.

snes? i mean know and back then it was different those illegal catridges were actually being sold werent they. anyway in this time period no one would pirate nearly as much if the internet was gone. I mean the hackers do it for free because of the luxary of the internet without that they would need to charge people for deliveries and such which wouldnt be wirth the effort. how exactly would they get it to all those people without the net?

SD cards with DS titles on them, DVD-DLs with 360 titles, Blu-rays with PS3 titles, etc. All at flea-markets. Do you really need to ask how a blackmarket for these sorts of things would get to a wide number of people? seriously heroin gets to tons of people on the black market doesn't it? So what would be the difference for any soft of media that people want copies of without paying the insane prices of retail?

lol heroin its different its a street product period no one is really selling it online to begin with. but okay so what your saying is that people will pay to buy these things at flea markets....which are in a huge decline. well firstly they would have to play the people at the flea market to mod their systems and then pay them for the software lol sounds like their buying games to me. sure its cheaper but with the internet you could do that stuff your self or learn to. Also those retail prices arent insane people are just cheap. but yea okay lol.

I think George Hotz is going to love this court case because is going to make him more famous.

Maybe this is the real reason why hackers likes to be sued