thranx said:
Aielyn said:
thranx said:
Aielyn said:
Pavolink said:
Of course it's hardware. There are accesories for PC like a joystick and still is hardware.
I think that the word a lot of you is looking for is "Console" instead hardware.
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I'm pretty sure that the issue with the word isn't so much whether Kinect is hardware. It's whether the only other things that are "hardware" are consoles.
Think about it - if Kinect is hardware under the reasoning put forward in this thread, then why is, for example, the Wiimote not considered "hardware"? The Wii itself sold about 3.5 million in its first two months, each of which included a Wiimote. Wii Play sold another million or so, and each of those included a Wiimote. And then there were the Wiimotes sold separately, which would also account for a large number. It's not implausible that more Wiimotes were sold than Kinects.
And before you complain that you can't include the Wiimotes bundled with Wiis, let me point out that the Kinect sales numbers include Kinects that are bundled with Xbox 360s. And they include Kinects that are bundled with games, so Wii Play is fair game, too.
Essentially, the concern is that they've defined Kinect as "hardware", but not any of the other peripherals/accessories that are comparable to Kinect.
EDIT: More than that, though, it's not even accurate if you ignore the issue above, and let Kinect be the only non-console "Hardware" item. Wii, between the 21st of November and the 1st of January, which is significantly less than 2 months, sold 7.9 million units. EDIT 2: Just to be clear, that's 21st of November, 2010, and 1st of January, 2011.
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They are talking launch numbers. Do you have numbers for how many wii motes were sold its the first months out? If so post them we can compare. It did outsell the wii its first few months on the market.
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They didn't say "fastest launch", they said "fastest selling hardware". Where in the term "fastest selling hardware" does it imply "launch"?
Note that, in the GamesRadar article, they compare it only to consoles. They do not even make an attempt to compare it to Wiimotes, or to Balance Boards, or to EyeToys.
Now, I don't have the numbers to compare Wiimote launch numbers with Kinect launch numbers - but the point is, neither do GamesRadar. And yet, they make the claim. They claim that it's the fastest-selling game hardware without actually having the data to back that claim up. Instead, they manufacture a justification for the claim by comparing apples with oranges, but only comparing this particular apple with oranges, and not including all apples in the comparison.
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it outsold wii BB in its first month and outsold move also. No one has numbers for wii motes. So what else is there to compare?
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Why does the fact that nobody has the numbers for Wiimotes, or the fact that it outsold Balance Board and Move for their first months, matter to this discussion? The fact is, they've made the claim, but do not have the data to back up that claim. In order to hide this fact, they only compared Kinect to consoles - consoles have obvious reasons why they don't break sales records on launch, when compared with peripherals.
They also only compare launch sales, despite using the phrase "fastest-selling hardware" without specifying that they mean "at launch".
As for what else is worth comparing to, let's go through a few options - Guitar Hero peripherals (same peripheral for different systems should count as one peripheral, right?), MotionPlus, possibly Wii Wheel (does that count? Where does one draw the line on "hardware"?), Tamagotchis (who said it has to be a recent thing?), and R.O.B, just to name a few that come to mind.
Do I think it's reasonable for them to make all those comparisons, when it's so hard to get numbers? No. I expect them to not make the claim in the first place, or at least make the claim in a form that they can back up: "Kinect sells more in first two months than any console in its first two months". That's a claim they can back up. "Kinect is fastest-selling hardware ever" is not something they can back up.