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M.U.G.E.N on 08 January 2011
miz1q2w3e said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

no it's you who is missing what I'm saying. WHile 3S is trying to target core, sony can also target casual, it can lead to a situation like 360/ps3 where both consoles provide a somewhat similar image to non-gaming community.

and I'm sorry but even without knowing the psp2 line up, I can gurantee the PSp2 core line up will be worse case scenario will have games that will at least match the quality of the 3ds line up. Heck games like DOA and such, you can same level games on the PSP already even, graphics AND gameplay wise. and add another analog nub and it will be a way better experience for games like FPS genre. It's a bit too early to do these comparisons tho cuz we have NO idea what the line up for PSP2 are like. I HOPE to see it within the year tho. Tho I would say Tekken: Tag and Mortal Kombat games are a given at this point.

What makes you so sure devs are going to support it like that when the way you describe it seems to indicate very high production costs and with a predecessor like the PSP, devs will most likely be hesitant to support such a device at all - - - and lets not forget Carl's list... now that's a pretty impressive lineup that most home consoles would struggle to match

And you go on again about how it'll have better graphics...etc - - - haven't you gotten it yet that these thing don't matter nearly as much as they used to - especially not in handhelds - - - most people do not want that (i'm not going to keep repeating myself for you and eveyone like you to hear)

also, the bolded is why this will be my last reply to this "argument"...

I don't expect you to keep explaining and neither do I want to, some people have already made up their minds.

I wouldn't call that launch up list is something the home consoles can't match..they can match, they can surpass it easily as well

some of you fans have double standards it's not even funny. why don't you say the same things when some make threads/posts on how great DOA and other 3d games are looking. And I was referring to gfx AND gameplay. Make no mistake, games like Tekken DR have already done both really well on the psp itself, no reason to think PSP2 will do otherwise.

Graphics help in some genre. PSp didn't always focus on graphics in games. Some games did just fine with art style. But for a game like a 3d fighter, graphics help, no question about it. Hence why I brought it up.

Again this thread is about the 'possibility' of what can be done with PSP2, not a gloom and doom threadabout 3DS.



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M.U.G.E.N on 08 January 2011
Kenology said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Kenology said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

nope that's exactly what I pointed at. Ninty is focusing a great deal this time on core games, which is 'imo' a opportunity for Sony. If they can up their game on the casual front, they will be on a more or less even field when it comes to gaming.

and btw I wouldn't say psp was 'missing' games like that more like Sony didn't promote them as much as they should have, which I HOPE they do this time around. Core games were already ace on the psp, I have little doubt it will be the same on PSP2

I think you're just trying to make something out of nothing, seeing more than what's actually there.    Everything Nintendo has slated for the 3DS thus far had a DS counterpart, so it really isn't evidence that they're "focusing a great deal this time on core games".

The only game that I know of that Nintendo has announced so far from a series that didn't appear on the NDS is Kid Icarus.  I see no evidence that Nintendo is focusing specifically on core games only.

Besides, this is only launch line-up.  We all know Nintendo has a shit ton of software in development that we don't know about.  Pretending that Nintendo only has core-centric games in development is a huge (and unrealistic) stretch, IMO.

 


Wrong

Metal Gear SOlid - PSP? yes DS? No

Resident evil had one game and that was ages ago and it is nothing like the game 3ds is getting

Dead or Alive ? Not that I know of...actually what 3d fighter did DS have? And not referring about chibi character games here

anywho the point is CAN sony take advantage of the situation. Answer is yes. Simple as that. Will they? who knows

No one is 'pretending' anything least of which Ninty has ONLY core games. the one who is making up things here is you. -_- I don't get why be so defensive here. Please show where anyone said or hinted at anything like Ninty only has core games. Fact of the matter is they are focusing on it a great deal this time around. Not sure what the debate is about

So please stop making things up, paranoia is not good

and to your comment below about PSp only had PS3/2/1 counter part games is a very narrow minded and a misinformed opinion. I do not want to do list wars here but I suggest looking up the psp library better

*sigh*

I'm not even gonna read the rest of what you wrote up there because you're not paying attention.  I'll say it again:

"Everything NINTENDO has slated for the 3DS thus far had a DS counterpart".

Now, just think about why Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, and Dead or Alive doesn't negate that comment at all.  You can figure it out.  I have faith in you.

point is that nintendo is the one collecting the support for their device. They are the ones leading the announcements. sigh but sadly I have lost my faith in you understanding simple logic or comments here. you're too one track minded and too defensive for a discussion like this. shame but some people are like that I guess. I hope you look back at gaming history and realize, there is always a chance for a gaming giant to be rivaled by another and even be overthrown at times. The possibility is there. One day you might actually be able to understand about that but like I said seeing what you have said so far, I wouldn't count on it. Better just stop talking to you at all I guess.

With that said I'm done posting in this thread, if you want, go ahead and post on my wall



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atma998 on 08 January 2011
Kenology said:

Funny how in other threads about the PSP2 being DOA, certain people moan and groan saying "the PSP2 isn't even announced yet" or "let's wait and see before we speculate" or "it's too early to have this discussion".  When it's the other way around, about the PSP2 being the victor over 3DS, suddenly these convos are alright to have! 

Anyways, my take on the OT is that all this wishful thinking is reminiscent to an earlier time...  Reminds me of 2005 and the DS vs. PSP speculation all over again... And we know how out-of-hand that got in retrospect.

I doubt this next handheld gen will end any differently.


This.



miz1q2w3e on 08 January 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:

I don't expect you to keep explaining and neither do I want to, some people have already made up their minds.

I wouldn't call that launch up list is something the home consoles can't match[1]..they can match, they can surpass it easily as well

some of you fans have double standards it's not even funny. why don't you say the same things when some make threads/posts on how great DOA and other 3d games are looking[2]. And I was referring to gfx AND gameplay. Make no mistake, games like Tekken DR have already done both really well on the psp itself, no reason to think PSP2 will do otherwise.

Graphics help in some genre. PSp didn't always focus on graphics in games. Some games did just fine with art style. But for a game like a 3d fighter, graphics help, no question about it. Hence why I brought it up.

Again this thread is about the 'possibility' of what can be done with PSP2, not a gloom and doom threadabout 3DS.

Seeing as how this isn't a continuation of the argument but rather just me correcting you, I'll respond >_>

[1]: Tell me where in my post did i say that it's launch lineup was unmatched?? the upcoming game lineup is in fact pretty hard to match - - - - plus, I didn't say it was impossible for a console to match just that it was impresive and it would be HARD to match - - - - - now tell me, you don't think the 3DS lineup is impressive??

[2]: That has nothing to do with this thread or argument. The fact of the matter remains that the 3DS lineup of blockbuster non-console titles is more than enough to beat a hypothetical PSP2 lineup of console/core games - - - - and from where I'm standing at the moment, neither PSP not PSP2 has anything that can even remotely challenge the DS and 3DS's lineup of non-console blockbuster franchises which, as I said earlier, are more important to a handheld

But I will say this, this thread was a mistake from start from the looks of things. We currently know close to nothing about the PSP2 and it is thus pointless to argue about it - - - Does it have a chance to dethrone Nintendo 3DS? I guess so, it's not intirely impossible - - - - Is it likely: No, not likely- - - Wouldn't you agree Mugen?



hsrob on 08 January 2011

No it really doesn't.  Even with something new, exciting, innovative and a stellar game line up, the best Sony can hope for with the PSP2 is take some more of Nintendo's handheld marketshare.

All of those things are going  to get harder and harder to achieve the later the system is released, when that's going to happen is anyone's guess.  I think the best we can hope for is an end of year release in all territories and if it slips to next year I really can't see it performing better than the PSP.

Furthermore i think it's relatively unlikely, given historical trends, that Sony is going to outperform Nintendo on battery life or pricing for either hardware or software.



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rmarier83 on 08 January 2011

If sony wants to make a successful PSP2 system I think it will need many of these things:

Flash storage as the media (optical discs aren't needed in this day and age anymore, they consume more power and load times on a portable for quick gaming sessions isn't a good thing).

2 Analog sticks and also something to make up for the lack of L2/R2 buttons (this will make ports of PS2 games easier)

Do not make a quantum leap over the PSP in terms of graphics (this helps with battery life too).  Sony's being smart by having Nintendo release its system first, they'll know what kind of hardware will be in it.  This is important, it will make ports for them to be easier if they have a somewhat same archeticture in their system.

Perhaps a second screen (too bad I really doubt this to happen), this opens up a lot for them such as extra button mapping on the lower screen (and hopefully multitouch).  I'd expect it to be resistive touch not compactive.

Internal storage as well as expansions for SD cards (already a given due to the PSPgo having this).

Games that appeal more to the "money throwing" casual crowd that to us core gamers look like a complete waste of time (whatever to make easy money).

Put "more effort" into marketing games that are near Nintendo-area core games: Jak&Daxter, Sly, and Ratchet and Clank.



forest-spirit on 08 January 2011

I think it will be really difficult for the PSP2 to defeat the 3DS. 3DS already has quite a lot of games announced, and the variation is quite good. PSP2 has nothing at the moment, we don't even know what the console will look like. Just letting Nintendo release their console before the PSP2 is a huge mistake imo.

With great support, the DS brand name and being the first one to hit the market the 3DS will be hard to match.



Galaki on 08 January 2011
rmarier83 said:

second screen


It'd be a blatant ripoff if they do dual screen like the DS.



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rmarier83 on 08 January 2011

Yeah so, Sony has ripped so much from Nintendo already, does any more really matter?



rmarier83 on 08 January 2011
RolStoppable said:

Nintendo should work out a deal with Capcom to get the Monster Hunter series exclusively on their systems. That should bury any "real" chance that Sony has.


...and then Sony counters with getting Dragon Quest exclusive on their system LOL.