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Mordred11 on 11 January 2011
SleepWaking said:
Mordred11 said:
Kasz216 said:

No, it's just completely insubstantial of point.

Avatar wouldn't have made so much,if the director wasn't Cameron.

More people saw Titanic than Avatar,though Avatar made more money.

A BIG part of that people went to see Avatar just because it was ''Cameron's new baby''.

So,like you stated earlier and this thread,people didn't go to see it just for the 3D experience,but rather expected a new masterpiece from Mr. James Cameron.

I haven't read anything else from this conversation, but I know I severely disagree with the point being made here. I would say (alot) more people went to a theatre showing because they wanted to experience 3D with this new revolutionary technique. Every time I was in a discussion with somebody about it or read forums about the movie, most they talked about was the 3D and how it would look like or after you saw it what you thought of it. Cameron was mentioned and the story was mentioned as well but neither one of them was the main attraction of this movie.

That's because most of the people who went to see Avatar are casuals,they don't go on forums and discuss about it.

My point is,a big part of Titanic's audience also went to see Avatar.



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XxXProphecyXxX on 11 January 2011

LOL this thread still going and is already off topic.



jarrod on 11 January 2011
stopstopp said:
jarrod said:
stopstopp said:
jarrod said:
stopstopp said:
jarrod said:
stopstopp said:

True it does, but I was just mearly making a point. You can't say GT PSP bombed if you don't say Mario Kart DS bombed.

Although considering GT5 sales are still in it's infancy, no, I don't consider it a bomb.

Uh, yes you can.  Mario Kart DS far outsold every previous Mario Kart, it was an unheralded success by series standards.  GT PSP far undersold every previous GT, it was an unheralded failure by series standards.  Your point literally has zero merit.

I wouldn't consider GT5 a bomb either fwiw.

Considering DS seems to be on track on outselling every nintendo home console that isn't wii combined, no wonder it sold more.

Considering PSP looks like it could become the worst selling Sony console (if the successor comes out this year) plus the fact that it is a handheld (which gives it absolutely no chance unless it is in DS's position, which it would half to have over 250 million consoles to do so) no wonder it sold less.

Still doesn't change that Mario Kart DS is a bomb compared to console versions, as is the same for GT PSP.


lol, no it's not at all "the same" by any stretch... chiefly because Mario Kart DS far outsold every previous console version of the series.  This isn't rocket science here, I'm not sure why you can't seem to grasp "by series standards" and "ratio arguments inherently favor smaller bases"? 

And your by series standards argument favor bigger bases. Nintendos total and utter failure with N64 and Gamecube just makes Mario Kart DS look good. Mario Kart DS was a success by series standards but a complete and total failure by ratio. Infact Mario Kart DS couldn't even sell more than the SNES N64 and GC versions combined despite having 40 million more consoles than their consoles combined.

It seems we are at a stalemate, our arguments use two different schools of thought and we aren't changing our opinions. I'm just leaving it at that.

Uh, Mario Kart DS also sold favorably to the SNES and GBA versions.  It's not simply a total userbase thing here, it did exceedingly well by any standard.

And we're not at a "stalemate", your reaching argument to somehow use ratio to make Mario Kart DS look disappointing doesn't even work... it has a better sellthrough ratio than literally every single game ever released on PS2... if you're trying to somehow twist reality so you can argue MKDS is a bomb, then you also consider every single game ever released on PS2 to be a bomb as well?  Gee, no wonder you're so eager to leave it at that. lol.

I don't care about PS2. Mario Kart DS is still a bomb. It failed to meet other ones many times. DS is 145 million, over 40 million than the other home consoles not wii that had mario kart but it can't outsell them combined. It failed to reach mario kart wii even though DS sold like 60 million more than wii. Your argument uses the fact that nintendo did completely awful, their last two consoles sold so bad it's not funny. Now we finally have a successful console and now it is great, which it obviously isn't. It will always fail to meet Mario Kart Wii in just sales, doesn't matter how big DS gets. Compared to consoles, it is the singlehandly worst selling Mario Kart. Mario Kart SNES sold to around 24% of all owners while DS is at 14.7% of all owners, the worst of all the home consoles. mario Kart DS is the second worse Mario Kart, and will continue to be forever.

lol... so we've moved away from ratios (since they uh, clearly don't support your claims even, otherwise every PS2 game ever released is a bomb) and to Mario Kart DS needing to outsell every previous Mario Kart combined to be considered "not a bomb"?  Dear gods, these adventurous goalposts have traveled father than any man could have imagined! ;)

You should check your math too, Mario Kart SNES sold to only about 17-18% of all SNES owners... which is better than any GT ever has btw.  I like how at the end of this gen Mario Kart DS & Wii combined will have likely sold more than the entire mainline GT series combined (and they'll both also hold higher ratios than any single mainline GT, bar possibly GT5 and MKDS)... that would've been unimaginable 5 years ago, it's really amazing to look at Nintendo's rise and Sony's fall in context.  



jarrod on 11 January 2011
pizzahut451 said:
jarrod said:
Mordred11 said:

LOL @ people still comparing MK with GT5,the two games have nothing to do with eachother.

It's like comparing Avatar and Inception.


They're in the same genre (though not subgenre), that's the point for comparison.  

I think there's a bit of revisionism going on though, Mario Kart tends to get retroactively positioned as the heavy weight juggernaut but that's not at all the case.  Before this generation, no Mario Kart had sold over 10m, while every GT had.  This gen we have two Mario Karts over 20m, and two GTs that likely won't hit 10m... it's really been a massive seachange this gen, and more reflective of the overall consumer shift towards Nintendo and away from PlayStation.

Except that they are not same at all. Gran Turismo is a realistic driving simulator and Mario Kart is an arcade cartoon racer. Just because you drive cars in both games doesnt mean its a asame genre. Its like calling Mass Effect and Bioshock same genre

I'd consider Mass Effect and System Shock to be the same overarching genre.  Bioshock though isn't an RPG.

And yes, racing games are a genre.



jarrod on 11 January 2011
Kenology said:
stopstopp said:
Kenology said:

I can't believe stopstop is in here calling Mario Kart DS a bomb.  And then wants to completely disregard the PS2 example that jarrod brought up.  Unbelievable!  lmao


Considering the whole argument is how Mario Kart DS is such a great competitor against its other versions, the PS2 example doesn't mean anythng. And yes, compared to others, Mario Kart is a total bomb.

If you want to reach that far and make such a silly argument just to make a blockbuster a flop - more power to you.

Just remember, if this is how you difine a game as being a success or not, this argument could come back to bite you later on.

The best part is, even using ratios, Mario Kart DS is still decent sales wise.  Just behind Mario Kart SNES, just ahead of Mario Kart Advance... and when you're on a 145m base, that's no small feat!  It's sales really are an unqualified success by any measure.



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Cobretti2 on 11 January 2011

To be honest with you I think haters have moved on to hating something else that is newer now. That i show they work.

Nothing to do with the sales.



 

 

pizzahut451 on 11 January 2011
jarrod said:
pizzahut451 said:
jarrod said:
Mordred11 said:

LOL @ people still comparing MK with GT5,the two games have nothing to do with eachother.

It's like comparing Avatar and Inception.


They're in the same genre (though not subgenre), that's the point for comparison.  

I think there's a bit of revisionism going on though, Mario Kart tends to get retroactively positioned as the heavy weight juggernaut but that's not at all the case.  Before this generation, no Mario Kart had sold over 10m, while every GT had.  This gen we have two Mario Karts over 20m, and two GTs that likely won't hit 10m... it's really been a massive seachange this gen, and more reflective of the overall consumer shift towards Nintendo and away from PlayStation.

Except that they are not same at all. Gran Turismo is a realistic driving simulator and Mario Kart is an arcade cartoon racer. Just because you drive cars in both games doesnt mean its a asame genre. Its like calling Mass Effect and Bioshock same genre

I'd consider Mass Effect and System Shock to be the same overarching genre.  Bioshock though isn't an RPG.

And yes, racing games are a genre.

Bioshock has some minor but game changing RPG elements. And Gran Turiso is not just a racing game unlike MK Wii. It has a lot more content and its a lot more complicated. If feels diffrent, it plays diffrent, it looks diffrent.



ethomaz on 11 January 2011

just remember... first week after holidays and:

UK Sales: 25-30k (means EMEAA > 100k).

Still waiting for the BIG DROP predicted by the haters.



scapegoatsqueal on 11 January 2011

haha gratz Sony, you have the more popular racing game than MS. I'm sure Sony's shooters are doing just as - wait, whats that? Killzone 3 is being released in 7 weeks and it's pre-orders are only 63,050, while Gears of War 3 doesn't even have a release date and it's pre-orders are at 113,671? Funny stuff.



Above: Best Wii game since Brawl.

ethomaz on 11 January 2011
scapegoatsqueal said:

haha gratz Sony, you have the more popular racing game than MS. I'm sure Sony's shooters are doing just as - wait, whats that? Killzone 3 is being released in 7 weeks and it's pre-orders are only 63,050, while Gears of War 3 doesn't even have a release date and it's pre-orders are at 113,671? Funny stuff.

What FPS has to do with this thread? Haterzzzzzzz.

Just kidding.