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nightsurge on 04 January 2011

I'm sure someone had to have mentioned this already, but....

GT4 was released in March (way outside of any holiday rush) and GT5 obviously released to fully take advantage of the holiday boom.



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Immortal on 04 January 2011

Mind you, GT5's doing well and it's certainly feeding crow to haters, but if you look at any of the older prediction threads, it's under more predictions than it's over. It's making more overoptimistic fans silent than it is making haters.

Just pointing that out.



 

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ethomaz on 04 January 2011
nightsurge said:

I'm sure someone had to have mentioned this already, but....

GT4 was released in March (way outside of any holiday rush) and GT5 obviously released to fully take advantage of the holiday boom.

Quote me... GT5 won't sell less than 25k the rest of year... so it will be above GT4 and the gap growing util GT4 sales enter in Holidays .



Immortal on 04 January 2011
CGI-Quality said:
Immortal said:

Mind you, GT5's doing well and it's certainly feeding crow to haters, but if you look at any of the older prediction threads, it's under more predictions than it's over. It's making more overoptimistic fans silent than it is making haters.

Just pointing that out.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968

Such a thread should be carefully sought through. The amount of rational predictions usually outweigh the irrational ones (be it in favor of or against something). With that in mind, GT5 is performing either just as good or a bit above general expectations.

Well, if I wanted to be lazy, I could just look at the poll, :P. That would be unfair though, obviously, xD.

I was actually thinking more of this one.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=120252

Its FW was significantly under average and, even though its legs have been very impressive in Americas and EMEAA, I think it's still, on the whole, performing more along the lines of slightly under expectations.



 

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Immortal on 04 January 2011
CGI-Quality said:
Immortal said:
CGI-Quality said:
Immortal said:

Mind you, GT5's doing well and it's certainly feeding crow to haters, but if you look at any of the older prediction threads, it's under more predictions than it's over. It's making more overoptimistic fans silent than it is making haters.

Just pointing that out.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968

Such a thread should be carefully sought through. The amount of rational predictions usually outweigh the irrational ones (be it in favor of or against something). With that in mind, GT5 is performing either just as good or a bit above general expectations.

Well, if I wanted to be lazy, I could just look at the poll, :P. That would be unfair though, obviously, xD.

I was actually thinking more of this one.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=120252

Its FW was significantly under average and, even though its legs have been very impressive in Americas and EMEAA, I think it's still, on the whole, performing more along the lines of slightly under expectations.

First week expectations, sure, but lifetime expectations look doable in most cases, and it's already outperforming GT4 in EMEAA but quite a bit.

Well, we'll wait I suppose. I feel that the holidays are providing an artificial boost against GT4 which will disappear when they end, but I could be wrong.



 

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zgamer5 on 04 January 2011
ethomaz said:
zgamer5 said:
ethomaz said:
zgamer5 said:
first of all im talking about 360 sales. 2nd think from slim release till week after move release 360 has been outselling ps3.

other then that i was talking about peoples predictions, and they were reasonable considering the knowledge back then.

Not after PS3 huge adjustments... 360 won just 3 or 4 weeks after Slim release because PS3 comeback after week end 1th Aug.


really? werent the adjustments just for move release in eu? what did ps3 this year and 360.

Nope... the adjustmentes change the 2 years data for PS3... all the week have some incresing in the last two years.

Befere that the 360 outsold PS3 by months in EMEAA... after the situation changed.

ok how much did 360 and ps3 do in 2010?



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

DonFerrari on 04 January 2011
jarrod said:
pezus said:
jarrod said:
pezus said:

Eh, why is it not possible that Sony starts bundling GT5 in Japan just like they did with Prologue??

Prologue was essentially a disposable release, that's why it got an extended bundling.  Sony doesn't do the same for the full releases, even when they bomb hard (see: GT PSP).

Besides, GT5 already had a PS3 bundle, with a new color even... didn't seem to do much.

Limited bundle...

Prologue was disposable? What does that mean really?

All JP PS3 bundles are limited.  So was the GT5P Spec III bundle, and it only moved about 300k total.

By saying Prologue was disposable, I mean it was a budget priced release, and essentially a (huge) demo rather than a full game.  That's why it was given away after it'd finished selling what it could, it was a value adding freebie and not something Sony was really interested in pushing in and of itself.  Maybe GT5 will get to the same point, but GT PSP never did...

If it were a demo, and sold could we agregate it's sales to GT5??? Now GT5 is 10 M... work for me.

And if you say it were a budget price, platinum get discounts so would count the same... even if you want to count half the sale because it were half the price/profit so 7,5M...

I'm happy anyway...



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

zgamer5 on 04 January 2011
slowmo said:
zgamer5 said:
A203D said:
zgamer5 said:
slowmo said:
zgamer5 said:
thx1139 said:
CGI-Quality said:
thx1139 said:

Nope GT5 is doing exactly what I thought it would do.

Big time Christmas present for existing PS3 owners and not moving much additional hardware.

GT5 didn't move just hardware it's release week, it helped to increase it weekly during the holiday, with the PS3 not falling too far behind 2009 levels. Without a price cut, it (and Move) were definite key factors, unless you're suggesting the PS3 stayed close to the previous year's numbers just based on existing merits.

Whatever the case may be, GT5 has contributed to a substantial amount of hardware moving during the 2010 holiday season.

Over and over people said this is when PS3 makes its final push and catches the 360. The fact of the matter is that when consoles have the install base that all 3 consoles have a software title has minimal effect on new hardware sales. The simple fact that the consoles have a good library and more new good software will continue to be released keeps the sales going.


those people never knew of a slim and kinects 500 million ad budget. its like if you come and say that all the people who predicted 360 to be at 46 million by years end were dillusional.

They were.

If they hadn't expected the slim and advertsiing budget they still knew Kinect was coming and it would have some boost.  There is also the fact that they knew Reach was launching which would push sales and also be advertised to create interest.  Finally had the slim not released it's pretty much nailed on there would have been a modest cut to generate more interest too.  All in all I fail to see how anyone could seriously predict sales less than 48 million without either wishful thinking or ignorance of the market imo.

360 ender with what 50 million at years end. slim gave a boost from its release till now, and no one expected the budget to be 500m so their prediction would have probably been correct or 1 milion of.

Tbh, Reach released in September and didnt push many consoles, the same with the silm redesign, while that helped a lot in the US, the PS3 was still outselling the 360 worldwide (being outsold primarily in the US), Kinect has saved the console, there is no doubt about that imho. Kinect has been their ace in the hole and its worked.


first of all im talking about 360 sales. 2nd think from slim release till week after move release 360 has been outselling ps3.

other then that i was talking about peoples predictions, and they were reasonable considering the knowledge back then.

I don't consider people being 4 million out a reasonable prediction in the slightest but you're entitled to your opinion.  Just for fun what do you think would have happened had the 360 been price cut instead of the slim revision.  The price cut was the most likely scenario this year but the slim just meant it wasn't necessary but I think the numbers wouldn't be too far off what they are now.  At worst the figures were always going to be in the 48 million region never 46 million.

I'll not even highlight the hypocrysy of some people defending the low 360 sales predictions while lambasting users on here who predicted sub 10 million LTD sales figures for GT5. 

Anyway I've defended my viewpoint so I'll leave you to the last word and not go further off topic :).


like i said in my previous posts no one expected the slim release and kinect to have such numbers before the 500 million budget was announced, and that is what made the difference. you miss a key phrase which was "considering their knowledge back then"

as for gt5 since 6 months ago people have been sceptic about it reaching 10 million, accept the fanboys, the only people who got bashed are the ones who said a prediction btw 5 and 7 ltd. i didnt see any bashing when someone picked 9 or 8.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

ethomaz on 04 January 2011
zgamer5 said:
ethomaz said:
zgamer5 said:
ethomaz said:
zgamer5 said:
first of all im talking about 360 sales. 2nd think from slim release till week after move release 360 has been outselling ps3.

other then that i was talking about peoples predictions, and they were reasonable considering the knowledge back then.

Not after PS3 huge adjustments... 360 won just 3 or 4 weeks after Slim release because PS3 comeback after week end 1th Aug.


really? werent the adjustments just for move release in eu? what did ps3 this year and 360.

Nope... the adjustmentes change the 2 years data for PS3... all the week have some incresing in the last two years.

Befere that the 360 outsold PS3 by months in EMEAA... after the situation changed.

ok how much did 360 and ps3 do in 2010?

In VGC PS3 lead by over 600k.

X360: 13,112,635
PS3: 13,760,987

* Theses numbers doen't include the first 3 days of 2010.

Before adjustments 360 was near or over PS3 on year.



ethomaz on 04 January 2011
ethomaz said:
zgamer5 said:
ok how much did 360 and ps3 do in 2010?

In VGC PS3 lead by over 600k.

X360: 13,112,635 13,424,105
PS3: 13,760,987 14,310,931

* Theses numbers doen't include the first 3 days of 2010.

Before adjustments 360 was near or over PS3 on year.

Sorry I made a mistake... the real numbers show PS3 leading by 900k.