360s online is better than all those combined not including steam imo, so thus we still have the reason...

It's not 60 USD a year better unfortunately, people just feel that they must use it and justify it since they are paying for it, it's a simple human psych.

There pretty much the same,but with slight cosmetic differences. The only huge differnce is cross game chat and the party features on live,but I really don't care about all of that,so to me it's all the same. I don't mind paying for live and will do so,when I get back to playing halo reach,(playing to many other games right now)but in the grand scheme of things they pretty much serve the same purpose.

English cricket was a shambles barely 10-15 years ago, so now we're winning stuff it needs to be rubbed in (especially as it probably won't last that long)!

With Steam I think it's to do with updates and some of the other Steamworks features. For instance, when a game is updated on Steam it should also be updated automatically on PS3. Might also be that saved games are backed up. I doubt Sony would allow the full single purchase, cross-platform play thing with PC/Mac, but they may let you use a saved game on PS3 on the PC/Mac version. It's all conjecture at this point but I think the first two points are quite likely.

Yea yea, personal opinion, don't force it to other. :)

I hate the Live for one simple reason : there is no Indie channel in my country.

Such a shame

I know Xbox live is better than PSN because it has cross game chat, a party system, 30 second voice messages and Exclusive map packs for COD games but honestly mate I much prefer PSN because it is free and developers update games more on PSN because Sony doesn't charge developers after 1 free update. Look at what Valve had to say about that. They had to charge people for L4D 2 content that was free on the PC because of the policies Xbox live has.

Also I know people like to act like they get slow downloads on the PS3 and disconnects from games and COD games lag more on PSN but thats just there Bias talking. My brother plays COD all the time on Xbox live and hes always talking about how bad the game lags and disconnects.

How can one system possibley lag more than the other system. Lag is lag period. If your game lags then how does my game lag more. Also when my brothers internet was down for a few weeks he brought his Xbox over to my house to answer messages and download some demos. Demos take just as long to download on Xbox 360 as they do on PSN so people can stop using that urban legend.

I prefer PSN because cross game chat isn't something I would use. It would be nice to have that option there on PSN but I know if it was there I'd use it once or twice. If I'm playing a single player game I'm playing it for the story, I don't want to talk to someone and miss some dialogue in the game and when I'm playing online I want to communicate with people playing on the same team as me.

A Party system would be good too but most games that have online have a party system built into there games now so its practically useless other than its easier to access. I've also heard loads of my brothers 30 second voice messages and there either from people giving him abuse or from people asking him to cheat in COD online.

Yeah Xbox live is better but for something thats 8 years in the making and charges a monthly fee it should be way better than it currently is.

Then what should I compare live too?

I can only compare it to other devices that give online gaming, and as far as I know I know all of them give it for free. Live is the only one that charges for online gaming. Even steam, with its cloud-based storage and automatic updates and cross-compatibility between Mac and windows is free.

As I said, games for windows live, which is an exact clone of xbox live, is for free on the PC. There's no reason for MS to charge for it.

Even onlive has free online gaming.

As far as superiority between Xbox live and PSN  goes, that's actually debatable. You guys should compare PS plus and XBL gold. And then you would realise which is superior. 

Ans PS plus has just started. After the completion of one year they will improve even more as they have shown this christmas.

I have the xbox 360 on a wired connection and my ps3 on a wireless connection. Both pretty much download demos at the same time. The only reason it takes longer to play on PS3 is because I have to install after downloading.  People who say PSN drops just try it on a wired connection and see what happens.

People use "game lags on PSN" as an excuse to justify their purchase of xbox live. In reality however, both give the same performance. Sometimes PSN gives a better performance because many 1st party studios use dedicated servers. I have been buying xbox live memberships since 2006 and my membership will run out in a month. I dont think I will buy another membership until gears 3 comes out because I really only pay for live to play halo and cod online.

I also just recently started playing games on the PC and I am amazed how awesome the STEAM service is and its free! And I dont have to pay $50 for cross game chat because I can just use skype which is alo free and has better audio!

Demo download at the same speed on both. Updates are longer on PS3 but its not related to PSN. Demo installation is also not related to PSN. As a whole, not too much difference between both. They both do something better then the other in some area.