If there's gonna be an army representing the whole EU, then all countries should be forced to participate (after all the army would represent the interest of the EU as a whole). It would also make NATO rather pointless.

Law enforcement agencies would include special response teams or para-military forces and local militia units, which on a larger level would be defined as national defense forces such as the SDF of Japan. It's not an army as armies are unconstitutional under their law and yet the SDF is one of the most advanced military forces in the world.

And if you believe the presence of police forces small enough to avoid consolidation of military power would function effectively on a global level, then there really isn't any further need to debate as you really are too naive to see reality.

Even in a policed world with international laws, warlords thrive, piracy still exists and when the largest crisis appear, it's the National Guard, NATO or whatever appropriate military force that ends up being called upon to contain the situation.

your getting there though with Britain and France sharing Navy's, at some point it'll expand to other countries as well, I'd go with Germany, but under the Lisbon Treaty there is a small section on a United European Union Army, its quite small and to do with defence of other countries, so I suppose you could expand upon this in the future

http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=14627 (its not the best source, but it gets the job done)

On topic: Centralist, fairly accurate, I'm from Britain and believe the state should do more with the economy, but not too much 

In ideal situation we shouldn't have medicine... because nobody should get sick.  I don't describe myself as anti-medicine.

Except that reffers to a natural condition (having certain biological needs which lead us to use medicine), while we'd have no need of armies if we really wanted it that way. Armies don't fulfill any natuaral need, and if people think they have to fight and kill eachother, that is just their skewed reasoning, not any natural condition that can't be modified. You're comparing two different unrelated things once more, in order to manipulate and fool people into thinking you're right.

Not really.  I'm just pointing out your pure irrationality.

But ok, instead of Medicine... lets say the police.

No need for the police if everyone decided not to comit crimes against each other?  So against the police too then?

Or weapons for that matter.

Being against these things is the same problem as being a pacifist.

All it takes is one person who thinks differently... a single divergent opinion to make you wrong.

Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft

I disagreed on this. Every man over 21/under 50 should serve its country by being in the army for 6 months at least IMO. Its an honor to be in the army.

We are a natural condition. Greed is natural, violence is natural, murder is natural. Everything that brings about our need for armies and the destruction they have caused is natural. Just observe wild-life.

Nature is, in a sense, the most fuck up shit ever, since every fucked up shit is just part of nature. The distinction you're making is purely cosmetic and not really there.

In your previous reply to me you said:

"Well hopefully one day there will no longer be seperate countries."

Well then, hopefully you'll have a point in the future.

I'm sure we all would like that. We'd all like it if the worlds biggest problems were perfectly solved. But that wish has absolutelly nothing to do with hating the solution we have in the current world. Hating the army because it shouldn't need to exist in a perfect world is indeed just like hating medicine or even the Sun in a sense, it's pointless and makes no sense.

Why limit it to men, then? Why not women?

Also, my country's government and Sovereign have done nothing for me, and I have no desire to serve them in anything.

I must disagree, Sapphi_Snake.  I must disagree with a lot of the things you've said over the past several pages.

During the Flood of '97, also known as the Flood of the Century for those living in Winnipeg, MB, the Canadian Forces played a crucial and visible role in the efforts to protect the city from dangerously rising water levels.  After the Haitian earthquake, a total of two thousand troops have been sent there over an extended period of time to assist in rescue efforts, rebuilding, and supporting the understandably overburdened law enforcement.

Our presence in Afghanistan, which you might call an 'Illegal Invasion' has not only been approved by the Afghan leader, but begged us not to leave.  Our presence there is terribly unpopular among Canadians and there is a lot of pressure against our minority government to leave...but they want us there.  They want us there because of our contributions in building schools and hospitals, training their police officers and adding general stability by combating an enemy that have undermined their own society for years.

Even taking into account the moral issues that comes with war, having a military is conceptually a good idea.  Search and Rescue Technicians (SAR-Techs) in the military are the guys we send when there's a plane crash in the North and civilian institutions lack the ability to launch a rescue effort.  The fact of the matter is that civilian branches typically lack the skills and resources to perform their tasks outside of typical domestic situations, and the military fills the void in the inevitable situations that are beyond local control. 

Myself, I being trained as a Medic.  If I get sent to Kandahar, it will be to work in one of the hospitals to help treat soldiers, enemy combatants, and of course, civilians that desire or require medical attention.  This training I am receiving, contrary to your assessment of military training (which appears to derived entirely from Full Metal Jacket), is the best experience of my life, beating many other fantastic experiences in my years.  The others in my Division feel the same.  Considering the qulaity of our training and the education that comes with it, mandatory military service would do tremendous good in troubled lives. 

I remember my grandfather telling stories of his time in service during the Second World War.  All of his stories were inspiring tales of comedy involving general mischief around British soldiers (the fact that their helmets forced them to turn their noses into the air left them a little vulnerable to childish pranks).  And his involvement in the War was necessary; the world learned a harsh lesson of what happens when a belligerant military force is ignored.  Time and time again it is demonstrated that leaving these things alone just makes the situation escalate until there is no other choice but to act--therefore it is better to confront these forces.

War is an ugly, ugly business.  It spreads suffering and death and the atrocities unleashed in its wake are definitely things the world doesn't need.  But the military is something that the world needs.  Removing them would remove the essential services they provide.  Police are the same way.  They are trained to fight, and when necessary, to shoot, to kill.  And to do these things to people in my community, not the 'evil desert people' abroad.  Yet if the police were disbanded due to the 'immoral' things they must do, things would go South real quick.  Same with the military.  So long as there are people in this world willing to summon forces under their command that will gladly hurt, kill and die under the command of such a person, a force will be required to defend against them.  An unfortunate reality but reality nevertheless.