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Killiana1a said:
badgenome said:
Killiana1a said:

Simplistic, talking points from a memo or power point sell more to the American public now than a meaningful, respectful debate between William F. Buckley Jr. and Gore Vida does and did in the past.

Dude, you sound hopelessly nostalgic for a period through which you didn't even live. Respectful? I really can't see anyone calling someone a Nazi in a public debate these days, and supposing they did, not even in the most fevered left-wing imagination would Sarah Palin respond by calling them a faggot and threatening to punch them in the face.

I do have my moments where I get wistful like some fringe right-wing conservative hearkening back to the good ole days of the 1950s.

I would say a discussion on camera that catches each men at their worst is more polite than a media, which will take 30 to 45 seconds of a long speech by Shirley Sherrod and sound bite it to make it sound as if she is racist.

Neither Gore Vidal in calling William F. Buckley Jr. a "crypto-nazi" nor Buckley's response of calling him a "queer" and threatening to punch him in the face so that "he will stay plastered" was polite. However, the way the media handled it by showing both sides in it's entirety is more polite than Fox News or MSNBC taking a couple of words or a sentence out of context and sound biting it.

Yes, because Walter Cronkite could give everything its full due and place it in its full context in his half hour news show. And Lord knows that even though he was a screaming liberal, he was a 100% honest broker of information and would never ignore, spin, or diminish a story that didn't fit his worldview.

Whatever the manifold flaws of the 24 hour news cycle, you're dreaming if you think things were better back then. The difference is, if Shirley Sherrod got railroaded back then, it would have stuck. Especially if the powers that be decided it should stick. In reality, it was sorted out within a matter of days once the full video came out.



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ProdigyBam said:

@ The Israel part: (original post)

 

PLEASE tell me  that was really good sarcasmus, you cant be serious.

Israel never attacked other countries, ALL israeli wars have been started by various arabic states, check your facts PLEASE before posting such BULLSHIT

thank you and merry christmas

The six day war of 67 certainly seemed an aggressive, irredentist Israeli plot to illegally seize the Sinai and the West Bank (one of which they have neither released nor integrated, keeping them in an illegal and international condemned state of Apartheid)



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ProdigyBam said:

@ The Israel part: (original post)

 

PLEASE tell me  that was really good sarcasmus, you cant be serious.

Israel never attacked other countries, ALL israeli wars have been started by various arabic states, check your facts PLEASE before posting such BULLSHIT

thank you and merry christmas

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37423584/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/

http://vodpod.com/watch/4155559-press-tv-news-israeli-attack-on-lebanon-august-03-2010-detailed-report

http://www.ccun.org/Documents/The Gaza Holocaust Israeli Attacks on Jabalia February 27-March 3, 2008.htm

http://www.aljazeerah.info/News/2010/September/30 n/Israeli Occupation Forces and Illegal Settlers Attacks on the Palestinian People, September 30, 2010.htm

http://www.ccun.org/News/2010/2010 Monthly News Links/December 2010 News Links.htm

 

Some of theser links you need to copy and paste.



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badgenome said:
Killiana1a said:
badgenome said:
Killiana1a said:

Simplistic, talking points from a memo or power point sell more to the American public now than a meaningful, respectful debate between William F. Buckley Jr. and Gore Vida does and did in the past.

Dude, you sound hopelessly nostalgic for a period through which you didn't even live. Respectful? I really can't see anyone calling someone a Nazi in a public debate these days, and supposing they did, not even in the most fevered left-wing imagination would Sarah Palin respond by calling them a faggot and threatening to punch them in the face.

I do have my moments where I get wistful like some fringe right-wing conservative hearkening back to the good ole days of the 1950s.

I would say a discussion on camera that catches each men at their worst is more polite than a media, which will take 30 to 45 seconds of a long speech by Shirley Sherrod and sound bite it to make it sound as if she is racist.

Neither Gore Vidal in calling William F. Buckley Jr. a "crypto-nazi" nor Buckley's response of calling him a "queer" and threatening to punch him in the face so that "he will stay plastered" was polite. However, the way the media handled it by showing both sides in it's entirety is more polite than Fox News or MSNBC taking a couple of words or a sentence out of context and sound biting it.

Yes, because Walter Cronkite could give everything its full due and place it in its full context in his half hour news show. And Lord knows that even though he was a screaming liberal, he was a 100% honest broker of information and would never ignore, spin, or diminish a story that didn't fit his worldview.

Whatever the manifold flaws of the 24 hour news cycle, you're dreaming if you think things were better back then. The difference is, if Shirley Sherrod got railroaded back then, it would have stuck. Especially if the powers that be decided it should stick. In reality, it was sorted out within a matter of days once the full video came out.

I respect your view and I will not argue it. All I will mention is neither of us were alive in the Walter Cronkite era, thus forth what we are speaking on is our own view buttressed by any information we have come across which paints that era in a different light than our current 24 hour, second-by-second news cycle today.



Mr Khan said:
ProdigyBam said:

@ The Israel part: (original post)

 

PLEASE tell me  that was really good sarcasmus, you cant be serious.

Israel never attacked other countries, ALL israeli wars have been started by various arabic states, check your facts PLEASE before posting such BULLSHIT

thank you and merry christmas

The six day war of 67 certainly seemed an aggressive, irredentist Israeli plot to illegally seize the Sinai and the West Bank (one of which they have neither released nor integrated, keeping them in an illegal and international condemned state of Apartheid)

the six day war which has left the area in a mess that will never be recovered was started by Israel with the US giving them the OK before they attacked.  Egypt had intelligence from the soviets that they would be attacked by Israel(it was fake actually but ended up happening anyway), but they made a pact with the soviets that they would NOT attack first so as to be seen as the aggressors.  Israel started it, and they were rewarded by the US for it by doing a cease fire without returning the land they took.

check your own facts before calling bullshit.



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More Israels dissproportionate retalliation that makes the news around the world. I want to see my kids says the arab, oops i just killed him says the jew. More and more of this every day. Israel outside of america is really not seen in a very positive light even in europe no matter what politicians say. Israel is a very ioslated nation and  i use nation in the loosest term



Mr Khan said:
ProdigyBam said:

@ The Israel part: (original post)

 

PLEASE tell me  that was really good sarcasmus, you cant be serious.

Israel never attacked other countries, ALL israeli wars have been started by various arabic states, check your facts PLEASE before posting such BULLSHIT

thank you and merry christmas

The six day war of 67 certainly seemed an aggressive, irredentist Israeli plot to illegally seize the Sinai and the West Bank (one of which they have neither released nor integrated, keeping them in an illegal and international condemned state of Apartheid)

Ohh, yeah, sorry thats one of the 7 israelic-arab wars where the israelis have "started" all that shit.

Im sorry. meh...



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ssj12 said:
ProdigyBam said:

@ The Israel part: (original post)

 

PLEASE tell me  that was really good sarcasmus, you cant be serious.

Israel never attacked other countries, ALL israeli wars have been started by various arabic states, check your facts PLEASE before posting such BULLSHIT

thank you and merry christmas

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37423584/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/

http://vodpod.com/watch/4155559-press-tv-news-israeli-attack-on-lebanon-august-03-2010-detailed-report

http://www.ccun.org/Documents/The Gaza Holocaust Israeli Attacks on Jabalia February 27-March 3, 2008.htm

http://www.aljazeerah.info/News/2010/September/30 n/Israeli Occupation Forces and Illegal Settlers Attacks on the Palestinian People, September 30, 2010.htm

http://www.ccun.org/News/2010/2010 Monthly News Links/December 2010 News Links.htm

 

Some of theser links you need to copy and paste.

Ohh, wow, Hisbollah and Hamas launch rockets almost every day at israel.

Every nation of the world has the right to defend itself, why not israel?



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