It's still warm and cozy here in Hiroshima prefecture with up to 15 degrees (Celsius) the last days. No snow yet. :)
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It's still warm and cozy here in Hiroshima prefecture with up to 15 degrees (Celsius) the last days. No snow yet. :)
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Final-Fan said:
Can you truthfully reassure me that you aren't seriously implying that this contraindicates global warming? |
Anything contraindicates global warming
Chairman-Mao said:
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1 of global warming's main tenets:
weather will be displaced, concentrating effect into smaller and smaller areas.
ie: record breaking snowfalls, rain falls, tornados, tsunamis, heat waves.
So now, instead of say, a rain cloud dumping 2 inches of rainfall over an entire state, it will drop 8 inches in one city and leave the rest of the state dry.
Nobody promised you anything. You were presented with facts that you misinterpreted.


Yeah, Spring and Autumn are too long at 3 months, the transition from warm to cold is far far quicker. Should Be something like this
Nov 1st Winter (4 months)
Mar 1st Spring (2 months)
May 1st Summer (4 months)
Sep 1st Autumn (2 months)
We had ~4ft of snow over 4 days. Luckily we got a break over the last few days but they are predicting snow again starting today. We also set 2 daily records that I believe were set back in the 70's. We also have had more snow in December this year than average and we haven't hit the halfway point yet. Last year we had less than average so I think we are making up for it. Did I mention we are 20" ahead in the Golden Snowball Award race 
Oh, and I don't have a snow blower 

theprof00 said:
1 of global warming's main tenets: weather will be displaced, concentrating effect into smaller and smaller areas. ie: record breaking snowfalls, rain falls, tornados, tsunamis, heat waves. So now, instead of say, a rain cloud dumping 2 inches of rainfall over an entire state, it will drop 8 inches in one city and leave the rest of the state dry. Nobody promised you anything. You were presented with facts that you misinterpreted. |
Er... "facts" anyway... if you study the particular method most of it is being calculated with. They're about as well conducted as your average "can this diet pill help you lose weight!" (with exercise and healthier eating)
Also ignoring the fact that even if man made their is an EXTREMELY likey chance it's already "too late" since climate change is very much like a hill. Warming itself produces warming. Heat evaporates water and other greenhouse gases into the air, which causes more warming, which evaporates more into the air...
If manmade, global warming is like driving up a very steep hill, then starting to go down it, realizing their is a disaster at the bottom and hitting reverse.
It isn't going to do any good, and unimaginitive thinking like that will only get you killed.

| Kasz216 said: Er... "facts" anyway... if you study the particular method most of it is being calculated with. They're about as well conducted as your average "can this diet pill help you lose weight!" (with exercise and healthier eating) Also ignoring the fact that even if man made their is an EXTREMELY likey chance it's already "too late" since climate change is very much like a hill. Warming itself produces warming. Heat evaporates water and other greenhouse gases into the air, which causes more warming, which evaporates more into the air... |
Even if, EVEN IF, this were all just a big industry conspiracy to fund alternative energy etc, why are people so against energy independence? Seriously.
I simply don't understand.


theprof00 said:
Even if, EVEN IF, this were all just a big industry conspiracy to fund alternative energy etc, why are people so against energy independence? Seriously. I simply don't understand. |
Because people want reasonable arguements for why we should do things, not rampant fear mongering?
Also, it's not a choice energy independence or not.
It's a choice of energy independence in 10-30 years...
or energy independence in 10-30 years with higher carbon credit taxes on everyone, possibly paying into a international tax that hurts the economy and everyone living a worse standard of life.
with no way to actually tell if it will actually stop anything mind (Lots of scientists think it's passed the point of no return. They tend to be ignored for being too depressing)
You also have a complete wrong focus on conserving that may or may not save us... when you COULD be working on Geoengineering. It doesn't have the added benefit of energy independence, but Geoengineering allows you to prevent global warming both manmade and natural. (Which DOES happen afterall) Additionally it gives you the knowledge to prevent global cooling both manmade and natural.
Most of the global warming advocates are against geoengineering... because, I don't know why exactly, I imagine because it gets in the way of more taxes on the big nations.
How do you take them seriously when they are ignoring the MAIN soulution in favour of a "don't touch it and it'll go away" mentality.

Charlotte just had the most perfect snow fall last night (at least according to me). It was cold enough in the troposphere to where clouds would produce snow instead of rain, but not below freezing at ground level so it wouldn't stick.
Then again I'm really a Californian, so I'm not much of a fan of trudging through the stuff...
Always been a late Summer/Fall guy anyways.
| Kasz216 said:
So because one group in a large group says one thing, we shouldn't go along with the ideals of the whole simply because of a demographic within? Also, it's not a choice energy independence or not. It's a choice of energy independence in 10-30 years... or energy independence in 10-30 years with higher carbon credit taxes on everyone, possibly paying into a international tax that hurts the economy and everyone living a worse standard of life. I don't know why you chose to represent green society in such a way. I want to say that your example is a gross exaggeration focusing on taxes and lowered SoL as simple "fear mongering". But I honestly don't know what your standpoint is. Do you think that green technology and carbon credits go hand in hand? Can they not exist independently? Certainly, you must know something I do not, because nowhere have I seen a citizen carbon credit (if that's indeed what you are implying by 'everyone') co-dependent with with the push for green power sources. You also have a complete wrong focus on conserving that may or may not save us... when you COULD be working on Geoengineering. It doesn't have the added benefit of energy independence, but Geoengineering allows you to prevent global warming both manmade and natural. (Which DOES happen afterall) Additionally it gives you the knowledge to prevent global cooling both manmade and natural. Most of the global warming advocates are against geoengineering... because, I don't know why exactly, I imagine because it gets in the way of more taxes on the big nations. source for this? Which global warming advocates are against this? Because this seems to go hand in hand with the global warming solution. In fact, when I took geosci in university, the global warming solution was presented as many small solutions that end up as one large conglomeration of solutions, and one of those semi-solutions was geological engineering. How do you take them seriously when they are ignoring the MAIN soulution in favour of a "don't touch it and it'll go away" mentality. Who supports "don't touch it and it will go away?????" This seems to be the complete opposite! It's the people who are against GW who are saying to ignore it! |

