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Kasz216 on 13 December 2010
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theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:

Er... "facts" anyway... if you study the particular method most of it is being calculated with.  They're about as well conducted as your average "can this diet pill help you lose weight!" (with exercise and healthier eating)

Also ignoring the fact that even if man made their is an EXTREMELY likey chance it's already "too late" since climate change is very much like a hill.  Warming itself produces warming.  Heat evaporates water and other greenhouse gases into the air, which causes more warming, which evaporates more into the air...

Even if, EVEN IF, this were all just a big industry conspiracy to fund alternative energy etc, why are people so against energy independence? Seriously.

I simply don't understand. 


Because people want reasonable arguements for why we should do things, not rampant fear mongering?

Also, it's not a choice energy independence or not.

It's a choice of energy independence in 10-30 years...

or energy independence in 10-30 years with higher carbon credit taxes on everyone, possibly paying into a international tax that hurts the economy and everyone living a worse standard of life.

with no way to actually tell if it will actually stop anything mind (Lots of scientists think it's passed the point of no return.   They tend to be ignored for being too depressing)

You also have a complete wrong focus on conserving that may or may not save us... when you COULD be working on Geoengineering.  It doesn't have the added benefit of energy independence, but Geoengineering allows you to prevent global warming both manmade and natural. (Which DOES happen afterall)   Additionally it gives you the knowledge to prevent global cooling both manmade and natural.

Most of the global warming advocates are against geoengineering... because, I don't know why exactly, I imagine because it gets in the way of more  taxes on the big nations.

How do you take them seriously when they are ignoring the MAIN soulution in favour of a "don't touch it and it'll go away" mentality.