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Bursche said:
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cAPSLOCK said:
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i think the usa will be worried about the new eu, the eu has more power than america in many areas. the eu is the biggest importer and 2nd biggest exporter in the world so it has alot of power. The eu can stop american compaines taking over other american compaines this show that the eu has a massive amount of power in the world.

We've always been on pretty friendly terms with Europe. I don't see any conflict. If there's going to be any conflict to come out of the EU, it'll be internal.


well we might have been friendly in the past but that was when the usa was the only superpower in the world and saw us as not a threat, but as the eu turns into a superpower (economicly not military) they usa will become more worried beacuse counties do not have to do wot america wonts them to do caz they arnt the only superpower in the world anymore


Why wouldnt it still be friendly? The US and EU can compete together and could lead to healthy competition. Im more worried about China becoming a Superpower than the EU as they could be militarily and economically superior to the US in time.


 im not saying that we wouldnt be friendly but america has been th e topdog since ww2 and they pride them selves on being the only superpower in the world , so if the eu becomes a superpower then american isnt as important as it was before and i dont think the american goverment would like be challenged by the eu 



 

 

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kitler53 said:
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wauuu, that would be...strange, people speaking different lenguages living in one "country"

Canada manages just fine. besides, it won't be too long before English is the common tongue around the world. xD

And here I was thinking Spain managed to do that just fine, but my galician heritage must've fooled me once again.



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konnichiwa said:
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*Superchunk, it probably wouldn't start out with our Bill of Rights. We're the only country that has freedom speech (except death threats on the president, for obvious security reasons) and expression**. No way would the EU allow us to have guns, either.

 


 In the first place why do you want a gun for?


If I may:

That's none of any government's business. Unless of course the gun owner makes it the government's business.

Edit:(by shooting people.)



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konnichiwa said:
cAPSLOCK said:

*Superchunk, it probably wouldn't start out with our Bill of Rights. We're the only country that has freedom speech (except death threats on the president, for obvious security reasons) and expression**. No way would the EU allow us to have guns, either.

 


 In the first place why do you want a gun for?


If I may:

That's none of any government's business. Unless of course the gun owner makes it the government's business.

Edit:(by shooting people.)


 .... A gun is made for shooting people;..Again why do you want a gun otherwise for?

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I seriously doubt that the EU will become a sovereign and complete nation anytime soon. Its too big of an area with too many diverse populations.

For example, a few languages in a country can be acceptable, but there are soo many in Europe that it would cause too much confusion. As well, it would be too hard to regulate all the regions, especially since all nations are used to being independent and now if they aren't French or English, but European, it can cause trouble.

It took the US almost a hundred years to settle the many questions that plagued it before the revolution (ended during the Reconstruction period).



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konnichiwa said:
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kitler53 said:
i like this, it brings us one step closer to a world government and i like that idea. with any luck maybe the EU will absorb the USA and then we'll have a check and balance on our leadership.

 

*Superchunk, it probably wouldn't start out with our Bill of Rights. We're the only country that has freedom speech (except death threats on the president, for obvious security reasons) and expression**. No way would the EU allow us to have guns, either.

 


In the first place why do you want a gun for?


Well, when I used to spend my summers and some winters on a farm, they were extremely handy for hunting, target shooting, getting rid of rabid animals, and it was a good thing to have growing up. I learned a lot about responsibility from my summers at my grandparent's farm. It's something my children will learn, also. It's great for teaching someone to be responsible. I've never, out of many many children I've been around, seen a kid grab a real gun and play Rambo, it's an extremely sobering experience and they take it very, very seriously.

Second, one of the primary reasons for our 2nd Amendment was to protect the people against the tyranny of government, the ultimate check and balance against the system. A bit archaic of a thought nowadays with tanks and helicopters, but the fact remains that it's power in the hands of the people.

Third, I'm a responsible gun owner with extensive training, and an exemplary military record.

Fourth, there's a lot of bad and unfair images that along with owning guns. I've found on the whole gun owners are very mentally stable and extremely responsible people.

Fifth, criminals are their own category and by definition fit outside the rule of law and the general citizen.

Sixth, for some people it's a means of personal protection. I personally don't prescribe to this idea, but a lot of people do.

It's one of those features of our country, it's in our Bill of Rights, it's just as important to a lot of people as the First and Fourth Amendment. I know most countries don't let their citizens have arms, and personally I don't care. I don't live there and they can not have guns all they want, as long as they keep that in their country and keep it out of mine.

I guess I have a serious problem with anyone telling me what I can and cannot do outside the rule of law laid down by the US Constitution and what has been determined via the US courts.

If you want deeper answers, better ones than my person ones, pick up a US civil liberties book and read through the legal history and the opinions of judges deciding the cases. Also, the debates on the constitution, which is a big ole fat 2 volume read that has lengthy arguments between our founders of the US.

The bigger question for me, why do you want me to not have a gun?

Edit: And as the previous poster said, it's none of the government's f'n business what I do with my life or the decisions I make. The government's job is to protect our rights, not them or take them away.  



Bursche said:
I seriously doubt that the EU will become a sovereign and complete nation anytime soon. Its too big of an area with too many diverse populations.

For example, a few languages in a country can be acceptable, but there are soo many in Europe that it would cause too much confusion. As well, it would be too hard to regulate all the regions, especially since all nations are used to being independent and now if they aren't French or English, but European, it can cause trouble.

It took the US almost a hundred years to settle the many questions that plagued it before the revolution (ended during the Reconstruction period).

there is all reaady a common language in europe and that is english. 51% of europeans can speak it to a good standard and over 80% kides in schools learn english from a young age so the language problem isnt as baad as u think.



 

 

cAPSLOCK said:

**Absolute, unbridged freedom of speech. As they tell you day 1 in civil liberties law: you're either in favor of freedom of speech precisely for the people you find reprehensible (neo nazis, KKK, holocaust deniers, dickheads in general), or you're not in favor of freedom of speech.

Right. And the communists in hysteric cold war america where given a great deal of freedom - speech, association, you name it. They didn't even actually need to be communists, just look like communists (for some random definition of looking like a communist).

Besides let's not forget that the now mostly historic laws forbidding Nazi hate speech in Germany probably date back to the time it was administered by, you guessed it, the US of A. The fact that some countries in Europe to this day bare the scars of either wars fought on our own soil, and/or not so distant dictatorial regims, doesn't devalue the freedoms we enjoy now, thank you very much.



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Bursche said:
I seriously doubt that the EU will become a sovereign and complete nation anytime soon. Its too big of an area with too many diverse populations.

For example, a few languages in a country can be acceptable, but there are soo many in Europe that it would cause too much confusion. As well, it would be too hard to regulate all the regions, especially since all nations are used to being independent and now if they aren't French or English, but European, it can cause trouble.

It took the US almost a hundred years to settle the many questions that plagued it before the revolution (ended during the Reconstruction period).

 There is a book calles the United states of Europe maybe you should read it.

I don't think it will really be one nation.  You have to see it this way.

The European government =  Making basic rules like euhm..  Child labour is forbidden so in every country in europe Child Labor will be forbidden (D'uh).

But then every state/country can make other rules like  age of drinking is 18 etc...






cAPSLOCK said: (...)

You seem not to realize that owning guns is perfectly legal in a lot, if not most, of european countries, as long as you have a license for them.

In my country, in particular, you most certainly can go hunting on hunting reserves, and own guns for that; you can also keep a gun at home, or at work, or where ever for personal protection. Having a license to carry a loaded gun outside, in your vehicle, etc, requires stricter procedures (training, etc - and a more burdensome license), but is perfectly doable, or otherwise it wouldn't be feasible for private security guys, etc, which it is.

So, no, it is not your constitutionally blessed right to carry a gun on the street, locked, loaded and ready to fire. It is also not your constitutional right to shoot anyone who invades your private property to get a strayed football, or someone who threatens you with a chopstick (as that would be considered excess legitimate defense). And yes, the government does regulate guns, and you have to license them. But you can still have them, if you love them that much. It's a balance, and most europeans certainly find the one we have pretty reasonable.



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