Americans believe America saved Europe, Europeans know that Russia, U.K and the massive amounts of partisans sabotaging German railroads and logistics freight won the war...

The U.S didn't even bother to join the fight until their economic interests were endangered, and many American companies made bundles selling gear to the nazi's before and during the first half of the war, not to mention the scientists who had helped Hitler advance his tech that ended up working for the U.S after the war...

America got involved in '43, at which point we had been fighting for our lives for 4 years, and Norway among others was completely overrun. On total, the U.S lost about 200.000 lives in the war, which kinda pales to; 20.000.000 russians and 20.000.000 Chinese... 

 Lol, the Russians were the only ones more productive than the Germans during the war; a single tank factory could construct up to 3000 tanks a month. Russian numbers and tenacity paired with the amazing U.K aviation knowledge won the war, Spitfire FTW! 

But you already know this, being british and all. 

They were very productive, but they were in a huge deppression and only spent money on the Military, but after that they wanted to expand their empire and widespread the ideology Communism, this led to the Cold war.

Russians are pretty extreme, i dont think they have it in them anymore, but Putin is a tad of a madman so i guess we will have to see.

 The Russians actually tried to take over Norway, to use our revered coastline for their own intentions, Finland was also invaded almost at the same time.

Yeah, Putin is a really strange man, he's thrown diplomacy right out the window and substituted it with some good 'ol fire and brimstone! He's upset with us as well, he wants our oil badly! 

Haha, perhaps a little Norway-centered aren't you?

You forgot to tell us about the "Tyskhora", all the norwegian women who got themselves (occupying) german soldier boyfriends.

ookaze said: Spotacus said: I think that it is funny that France has forgotten what America did for it 90 years ago when it saved it from the Germans. I think that it's funny those people saying that are the most ignorant, some don't even know where France is. USA didn't save France from anything, they never came when France asked for help. They came only when they saw the russians would save the french first. russian = communist at the time. They could let French die, but couldn't let French (and most of Europe) become communists. So get your facts straight before saying nonsense. And people like you also forget what France did for NA even before this war. Check your history!

When America joined the war, the Russians were getting stomped by the Germans. Stalingrad had just begun and winter hadn't set in yet, later destroying the German army.

If you're talking about the Normandy invasion, maybe. But the Allies were also coming up through Sicily and Italy at that time. Last I checked, that still isn't far from France. Closer than the Russians were, anyway. They weren't even close to Germany when Normandy happened. They invaded Poland in late June, 1944.

Either way, your point doesn't make much sense. You might want to get your facts straight before saying nonsense.

Putin vs. Bush in a no holds barred cage match to the death, regardless of who loses the world wins

Putin would kick some ass. He's a scary mofo.

rocketpig said: ookaze said: Spotacus said: I think that it is funny that France has forgotten what America did for it 90 years ago when it saved it from the Germans. I think that it's funny those people saying that are the most ignorant, some don't even know where France is. USA didn't save France from anything, they never came when France asked for help. They came only when they saw the russians would save the french first. russian = communist at the time. They could let French die, but couldn't let French (and most of Europe) become communists. So get your facts straight before saying nonsense. And people like you also forget what France did for NA even before this war. Check your history! When America joined the war, the Russians were getting stomped by the Germans. Stalingrad had just begun and winter hadn't set in yet, later destroying the German army. If you're talking about the Normandy invasion, maybe.  But the Allies were also coming up through Sicily and Italy at that time. Last I checked, that still isn't far from France. Closer than the Russians were, anyway. They weren't even close to Germany when Normandy happened. Either way, your point doesn't make much sense.

 They were in belarus area when Normandy began, and slaughtering the Wermacht, and the truth is the western front was a sideshow compared to the brutal warfare on the eastern front both in size and in level of barbarity.

Also you're a year off, when the Attack on pearl harbor occured, Germany was retreating from its assualt on Moscow, Stalingrad was a year later 

Putin vs Bush?

I don't even want to think about it.

Australia and the UK would be called up, like we were for iraq and we would be fighting the Russians.

Jessman wouldn't like that.