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makingmusic476 said:
Squilliam said:

Hey MM476 I bet you theres more chance Sony will add pay to play or pay for premium online features than Microsoft will remove Live given the fact that they recently increased the cost to $60.

Anyway check out: http://www.mcvuk.com/features/808/OPINION-Retail-vs-Steam and find out why publishers are pushing for the download option more than ever.

 

Given the way things currently stand, I believe you may be correct, and this is a day I fear.

1. And I read that article the other day.  I agree with his sentiments vis-a-vis retail vs digital distribution, but I feel as if the PC market is kinda hurting itself at the moment.  For example, Crytek's latest comments saying that consoles are holding PC back, given publishers are focusing on the console versions of multiplatform titles as that's where the money is.  I believe that's sort of a self-fulfilling statement.  The money is on consoles partly because there are so few PC titles that really push the platform these days.  People have no reason to invest in PC gaming when the best looking title on the platform came out three years ago.  Thankfully, the Witcher 2 should be changing that next year.

2. The lack of proper development support these days is incredibly sad, given how much Valve has done to streamline and unify PC gaming over the past half a decade.  Steam has done an incredible job of making PC gaming a more console-like experience through its user-friendliness, even going so far as to auto-download and install new drivers for your video card as of the last major update, yet the service has little in the way of killer apps with which to draw in non-PC gamers.  Of course, this also falls partly on Valve's shoulders, given their titles are some of the few blockbuster PC titles left, and they for some reason make them multiplatform. 

3. The only real killer app we've seen lately is Starcraft 2, which of course is the one recent title that doesn't support Steam, given it's Blizzard.

1. It is because there are so few PCs capable of being pushed. Consoles aren't holding back PC gaming they are saving PC gaming. Without consoles you would have that never ending specification creep inflicted on a buying public whom doesn't know what is going on. It used to be that the average new PC could play every game out at the time of release. At least now with Sandy Bridge and Fusion there will be decent computers out there with decent graphics capabilities which are in range of consoles.

2. The Xbox 360 and PS3 did pretty well without them. Besides you'll have to give them time as developing services like Steam is a considerable and on going effort. It took over a billion dollars to roll out Xbox Live to the state it is today so give them a break!

3. Well it still helps even if it isn't Steam. However the other big app is Diablo 3 as well.



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Squilliam said:
makingmusic476 said:
Squilliam said:

Hey MM476 I bet you theres more chance Sony will add pay to play or pay for premium online features than Microsoft will remove Live given the fact that they recently increased the cost to $60.

Anyway check out: http://www.mcvuk.com/features/808/OPINION-Retail-vs-Steam and find out why publishers are pushing for the download option more than ever.

 

Given the way things currently stand, I believe you may be correct, and this is a day I fear.

1. And I read that article the other day.  I agree with his sentiments vis-a-vis retail vs digital distribution, but I feel as if the PC market is kinda hurting itself at the moment.  For example, Crytek's latest comments saying that consoles are holding PC back, given publishers are focusing on the console versions of multiplatform titles as that's where the money is.  I believe that's sort of a self-fulfilling statement.  The money is on consoles partly because there are so few PC titles that really push the platform these days.  People have no reason to invest in PC gaming when the best looking title on the platform came out three years ago.  Thankfully, the Witcher 2 should be changing that next year.

2. The lack of proper development support these days is incredibly sad, given how much Valve has done to streamline and unify PC gaming over the past half a decade.  Steam has done an incredible job of making PC gaming a more console-like experience through its user-friendliness, even going so far as to auto-download and install new drivers for your video card as of the last major update, yet the service has little in the way of killer apps with which to draw in non-PC gamers.  Of course, this also falls partly on Valve's shoulders, given their titles are some of the few blockbuster PC titles left, and they for some reason make them multiplatform. 

3. The only real killer app we've seen lately is Starcraft 2, which of course is the one recent title that doesn't support Steam, given it's Blizzard.

1. It is because there are so few PCs capable of being pushed. Consoles aren't holding back PC gaming they are saving PC gaming. Without consoles you would have that never ending specification creep inflicted on a buying public whom doesn't know what is going on. It used to be that the average new PC could play every game out at the time of release. At least now with Sandy Bridge and Fusion there will be decent computers out there with decent graphics capabilities which are in range of consoles.

2. The Xbox 360 and PS3 did pretty well without them. Besides you'll have to give them time as developing services like Steam is a considerable and on going effort. It took over a billion dollars to roll out Xbox Live to the state it is today so give them a break!

3. Well it still helps even if it isn't Steam. However the other big app is Diablo 3 as well.

2.  Without what?  Killer apps??  0_o



makingmusic476 said:
Squilliam said:

1. It is because there are so few PCs capable of being pushed. Consoles aren't holding back PC gaming they are saving PC gaming. Without consoles you would have that never ending specification creep inflicted on a buying public whom doesn't know what is going on. It used to be that the average new PC could play every game out at the time of release. At least now with Sandy Bridge and Fusion there will be decent computers out there with decent graphics capabilities which are in range of consoles.

2. The Xbox 360 and PS3 did pretty well without them. Besides you'll have to give them time as developing services like Steam is a considerable and on going effort. It took over a billion dollars to roll out Xbox Live to the state it is today so give them a break!

3. Well it still helps even if it isn't Steam. However the other big app is Diablo 3 as well.

2.  Without what?  Killer apps??  0_o

To really draw in non gamers.



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Microsoft had an extremely powerful competitor in the PC online market: Steam. Nobody was going to pay for Microsoft's (inferior) GFW Live service, when they could get arguably the best online service in the world completely free of charge.

That option isn't there on 360. It's a Microsoft platform, and there are no competitors in its online market, so Microsoft can do whatever the hell it wants.



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Kantor said:

Microsoft had an extremely powerful competitor in the PC online market: Steam. Nobody was going to pay for Microsoft's (inferior) GFW Live service, when they could get arguably the best online service in the world completely free of charge.

That option isn't there on 360. It's a Microsoft platform, and there are no competitors in its online market, so Microsoft can do whatever the hell it wants.

Its because Sony has failed at being a competitor in many respects in online. How many years now have people been waiting for cross game voice chat?!



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the only way xbox owners can get Live to go free is for everyone to get an PS3 and play that instead. 

the thing with PC was there was two options one free an another pay but both offered many of the same features. 

One of the major turning points for me getting an PS3 instead of an xbox my brother already had was having to pay for online. I straight off called it an ripoff since PS3 offered the same for free plus wireless rounter included actually i saved money at the time buying an PS3.   



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Squilliam said:
Kantor said:

Microsoft had an extremely powerful competitor in the PC online market: Steam. Nobody was going to pay for Microsoft's (inferior) GFW Live service, when they could get arguably the best online service in the world completely free of charge.

That option isn't there on 360. It's a Microsoft platform, and there are no competitors in its online market, so Microsoft can do whatever the hell it wants.

Its because Sony has failed at being a competitor in many respects in online. How many years now have people been waiting for cross game voice chat?!

And that is mostly because PSN and firmware updates are upkept by SCEJ. I really wonder why. Should be work of SCEA or SCEE as Japan doesn't really care about online gaming (at least yet).



Why does it boggle your mind that Valve releases games on consoles?

They sell millions of games on consoles, so its really a question of why not?



KillerMan said:
Squilliam said:
Kantor said:

Microsoft had an extremely powerful competitor in the PC online market: Steam. Nobody was going to pay for Microsoft's (inferior) GFW Live service, when they could get arguably the best online service in the world completely free of charge.

That option isn't there on 360. It's a Microsoft platform, and there are no competitors in its online market, so Microsoft can do whatever the hell it wants.

Its because Sony has failed at being a competitor in many respects in online. How many years now have people been waiting for cross game voice chat?!

And that is mostly because PSN and firmware updates are upkept by SCEJ. I really wonder why. Should be work of SCEA or SCEE as Japan doesn't really care about online gaming (at least yet).

Yeah I mentioned that in another thread about PSN!



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MS thinks it could extend its "pay for everything" dream to the whole world, but in countries with lower average income and less consumerism than anglo-saxon ones, people are less willing to accept it, particularly if they'd use only features that are free on other platforms. And XBox360 strength in the different regions quite reflects this.



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