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numonex said:
dib8rman said:

China is bipolar, go there and you'll see what I mean.

To have a capitalism you need a democracy at some point, having a psuedo-democracy run but the Elders and a total of 3% of your populace being wealthy aka American basic living standard and up is not healthy for any Capitalism, it looks like slave labour and it is. Chinese however aren't Americans they are Chinese so who knows this system may work out for them.

I thought there would of been a bloody coup on the central government by now from the working class and instead they are talking about unions... go figure.

Seems they skipped a step.

Arab nations are neither Communist or Socialist. They use an economic system called Proto-Capitalism or Anarcho-capitalism. Income tax rates are at low rates of say flat rate of 5% in Arab nations. huge divide between rich and poor but that is life. Democracy would not exist in a place where you have a Sultan, Prince or King who runs the nation. Capital punishment is frequently used in Arab nations who administer Islamic(Sharia) law. 

Pure Capitalism(Fascism) and democracy do not mix. Pure Socialism(Communism) and democracy do not mix. A mixed system incorporates Socialism, Capitalism and democracy. 

It's called Proto-Capitalism  because it isn't Capitalism.

In order for Capitalism to work it requires a producer, resources and a consumer. If a country can't barter with these three things on the table they lack any ground work for a Capitalistic pursuit.

Then your also screwing up or jumbling up two totally different things, Facism is a method of policy crafting while Capitalism is a method of working an economy. I would love to see a Democratic Fasicm.

What I'm getting at is that at it's roots for Capitalism to work you need consumers and consumers wont  consume unless they need or can own something that meets the demand that's all.

Since you don't seem to know here is the definition of Proto-Capitalism:

Proto-capitalism is an economic system characterized mostly by the absence of large corporations and the buying and selling of items from artisans skilled in their respective jobs. Therefore, tailors make clothes, general stores sell miscellaneous goods, and so on. Though the name may give a different impression, suggesting primative, and therefore, regulated capitalism, there are no tariffs or taxes in this economic system. It is similar to capitalizm in this respect, but without the large monopolies. As of now, proto-capitalism is only used in The Aristocratic Thalassocracy of Myroria and its colonies.

 

It's actually wierd how many people will leap to say Capitalism or Free Market Capitalism is a facism when the two are so totally different. Maybe because Capitalism in short term leads to monopolies but the long term is always over looked, how many monopolies have fallen and required government aide to stay afloat? The answer is more than you seem to be giving Capitalism credit for.

The beauty of Captitalism is that it is brutal change that is accepted by a very powerful country. why it's brutal change is that it 's shapers sink or swim as it responds directly to consumers demands.

I believe I'm done here.



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routsounmanman said:
numonex said:
routsounmanman said:

Oh, America is about democracy and freedom now? Tell that to Afghanistan or Irak.

American forces are liberating Iraq and Afghanistan by fighting wars for freedom and liberty. That is what Fox News tells us in regular updates. Fox News = fair and balanced. 

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been released and now the Iraqi people have freedom and democracy. Taliban have been kicked out of Afghanistan by American troops and an american picked democratic government is leading the Afghanistani people,

Both Afghanistan and Iraq have freedom, liberty and democracy. Dictatorship and oppressive governments have been removed by good Christian American troops. 

OMG I cannot seriously believe that you're THAT naive, or believe anything the media/government tells you. So the good Americans, without any interest of their own, invested billions upon billions on these operations to free another country?

Sorry, this is Crusaders all over again. They just need a reason, a cause to make war, to deplete their weapons (so that they can purchase new ones in the future), to control the area, to get access to oil, killing (not necessarily innocent) people. All with the blessings of their own people...

I'm sorry but comparing today’s conflicts with the Crusades is childish and naive, it's also clear that numonex is trolling the hell out of you.

To a westerner it seems very much a paradox looking on at Islam, on one hand Islamic apologists will say that terror is not Islam and that Islam is peace, while Islamic "fundamentalists" will say that Islam is a constant Jihad and that they must slay the infidels where they find them, man woman and child will get arms to kill.

Here's a quick jotting on Osama Bin Laden and how much propaganda and psychological warfare was spewed by the man to the American public or the western world, what I will give a brief explanation about is why Westerners should simple either get more perceptive or leave the opinions to the ones who know.

Osama Bin Laden when addressing the world on the 9/11 attack turned and said that this was revenge reparations for what the west (America) had done to his home and his world and the world of his people. He made sure to say to the west that you are the bad guys in this and posed the MOST repeated rhetoric in all Muslim arguments geared at the west, "you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house." Osama was a academic he knows what people who don't know think like, they will pull the most available knowledge and refer without being complete. Now we have relationships being drawn to a war that ended centuries ago and legitimately could not be recontinued thanks to the World Wars.

The point here is the second part of Osama's message but to Muslims, when he addressed Muslims he said that this is our holy duty, that this is the duty of all Muslims to engage Jihad and strike the infidels down, wherever you find them. There are tools of Jihad such as courage, honor and deceit and so on but I won't go into that I don't have the time. If you’re not seeing the picture look at it like this, the only one fighting an age old war is Osama and every Muslim that is committed to Jihad. There is a Muslim word for deceit that is ratified in the Qur’an that defines itself most closely to deceit but as is the case with almost all Arabic words it's only closely related but is not exactly deceit.

The word for those formal in Arabic is Taqiyya - This is defined by action, when Muslims are faced with infidels or non-believers who hold more power than them they may fake being a non-believers. Things that would be Muslims such as reading the Qur’an seven times a day are no longer practiced the person would appear to be a non-believer. Even the CIA has recognized this and wrote lamentations on the practice and recognized it's origins.  The historic examples of this where between Shi'a and Sunni when the Shi'a were over powered they presented arguments and treaties in times where the Sunni's were far more fierce in number and power when they believed that a time had arose for opportunity the Shi'a would break their treaties and attack. I might be screwing up time lines on how Taqiyya was practiced in fact I am but this is pretty much the gist of it, there are many more forms of deceit ratified by the prophet Mohammed. (See versus 3:28) Most Muslim scholars use that verse to justify Taqiyya.

-- Edit

I was in such a rush I forgot to hit the nail on the head. I'll just leave a question

Why did Bin Laden say that this is a holy war to his muslim followers but then said to the west that the west forced them to react?

This is jihad -



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dib8rman said:
routsounmanman said:
numonex said:
routsounmanman said:

Oh, America is about democracy and freedom now? Tell that to Afghanistan or Irak.

American forces are liberating Iraq and Afghanistan by fighting wars for freedom and liberty. That is what Fox News tells us in regular updates. Fox News = fair and balanced. 

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been released and now the Iraqi people have freedom and democracy. Taliban have been kicked out of Afghanistan by American troops and an american picked democratic government is leading the Afghanistani people,

Both Afghanistan and Iraq have freedom, liberty and democracy. Dictatorship and oppressive governments have been removed by good Christian American troops. 

OMG I cannot seriously believe that you're THAT naive, or believe anything the media/government tells you. So the good Americans, without any interest of their own, invested billions upon billions on these operations to free another country?

Sorry, this is Crusaders all over again. They just need a reason, a cause to make war, to deplete their weapons (so that they can purchase new ones in the future), to control the area, to get access to oil, killing (not necessarily innocent) people. All with the blessings of their own people...

I'm sorry but comparing today’s conflicts with the Crusades is childish and naive, it's also clear that numonex is trolling the hell out of you.

To a westerner it seems very much a paradox looking on at Islam, on one hand Islamic apologists will say that terror is not Islam and that Islam is peace, while Islamic "fundamentalists" will say that Islam is a constant Jihad and that they must slay the infidels where they find them, man woman and child will get arms to kill.

Here's a quick jotting on Osama Bin Laden and how much propaganda and psychological warfare was spewed by the man to the American public or the western world, what I will give a brief explanation about is why Westerners should simple either get more perceptive or leave the opinions to the ones who know.

Osama Bin Laden when addressing the world on the 9/11 attack turned and said that this was revenge reparations for what the west (America) had done to his home and his world and the world of his people. He made sure to say to the west that you are the bad guys in this and posed the MOST repeated rhetoric in all Muslim arguments geared at the west, "you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house." Osama was a academic he knows what people who don't know think like, they will pull the most available knowledge and refer without being complete. Now we have relationships being drawn to a war that ended centuries ago and legitimately could not be recontinued thanks to the World Wars.

The point here is the second part of Osama's message but to Muslims, when he addressed Muslims he said that this is our holy duty, that this is the duty of all Muslims to engage Jihad and strike the infidels down, wherever you find them. There are tools of Jihad such as courage, honor and deceit and so on but I won't go into that I don't have the time. If you’re not seeing the picture look at it like this, the only one fighting an age old war is Osama and every Muslim that is committed to Jihad. There is a Muslim word for deceit that is ratified in the Qur’an that defines itself most closely to deceit but as is the case with almost all Arabic words it's only closely related but is not exactly deceit.

The word for those formal in Arabic is Taqiyya - This is defined by action, when Muslims are faced with infidels or non-believers who hold more power than them they may fake being a non-believers. Things that would be Muslims such as reading the Qur’an seven times a day are no longer practiced the person would appear to be a non-believer. Even the CIA has recognized this and wrote lamentations on the practice and recognized it's origins.  The historic examples of this where between Shi'a and Sunni when the Shi'a were over powered they presented arguments and treaties in times where the Sunni's were far more fierce in number and power when they believed that a time had arose for opportunity the Shi'a would break their treaties and attack. I might be screwing up time lines on how Taqiyya was practiced in fact I am but this is pretty much the gist of it, there are many more forms of deceit ratified by the prophet Mohammed. (See versus 3:28) Most Muslim scholars use that verse to justify Taqiyya.

-- Edit

I was in such a rush I forgot to hit the nail on the head. I'll just leave a question

Why did Bin Laden say that this is a holy war to his muslim followers but then said to the west that the west forced them to react?

This is jihad -

He used the crusades to describe numonex and his attitude/beliefs, comparing them to a crusader, while also saying its just an excuse for the people who gain from war. You're reading way too much into it. Anyway we're mostly taking about china, this is a whole other tangent. Interesting stuff though. And yes numonex is trolling everyone, especially with the fox comment lol.



I realized the hyperbole at reading "200 million army"... but the general idea is correct, no good will come from that country.



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BengaBenga said:
Chairman-Mao said:

If the western countries stopped importing cheap shitty products from China we could easily kill their economy and also boost our own by keeping jobs in our own respective countries.

I hate China so I really hope they collapse soon. 

I think it would be cool if China and India went to war. The worlds most populated nations against each other.

 

Yeah, potentially millions of deaths. Really cool.

American banks have completely ruined the economy, aided by the complete lack of any US govmnt. oversight, so please don't start about China.

Besides China hold trillions of US debt. Without China the US would have gone bankrupt a long time ago. A little bit more respect would probably be good.

I have no respect for communists, in fact I hate them. I actually hope North Korea tries to take on South Korea so we have an excuse to take out North Korea.



Chairman-Mao said:
BengaBenga said:
Chairman-Mao said:

If the western countries stopped importing cheap shitty products from China we could easily kill their economy and also boost our own by keeping jobs in our own respective countries.

I hate China so I really hope they collapse soon. 

I think it would be cool if China and India went to war. The worlds most populated nations against each other.

 

Yeah, potentially millions of deaths. Really cool.

American banks have completely ruined the economy, aided by the complete lack of any US govmnt. oversight, so please don't start about China.

Besides China hold trillions of US debt. Without China the US would have gone bankrupt a long time ago. A little bit more respect would probably be good.

I have no respect for communists, in fact I hate them. I actually hope North Korea tries to take on South Korea so we have an excuse to take out North Korea.

Lol, you think the US has the military strenght and the money at the moment to fight another war? In China's backyard nonetheless?

Hating them doesn't remove the fact that China owns a huge part of the US debt and therefore holds power over it.

Read this: one of the best columns I've read in a while about China/US by NYT's Friedman: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9664436



BengaBenga said:
Chairman-Mao said:
BengaBenga said:
Chairman-Mao said:

If the western countries stopped importing cheap shitty products from China we could easily kill their economy and also boost our own by keeping jobs in our own respective countries.

I hate China so I really hope they collapse soon. 

I think it would be cool if China and India went to war. The worlds most populated nations against each other.

 

Yeah, potentially millions of deaths. Really cool.

American banks have completely ruined the economy, aided by the complete lack of any US govmnt. oversight, so please don't start about China.

Besides China hold trillions of US debt. Without China the US would have gone bankrupt a long time ago. A little bit more respect would probably be good.

I have no respect for communists, in fact I hate them. I actually hope North Korea tries to take on South Korea so we have an excuse to take out North Korea.

Lol, you think the US has the military strenght and the money at the moment to fight another war? In China's backyard nonetheless?

Hating them doesn't remove the fact that China owns a huge part of the US debt and therefore holds power over it.

Read this: one of the best columns I've read in a while about China/US by NYT's Friedman: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9664436

Quantitative Easing and devaluing the currency will get the US out of debt with China. Printing more US money and flooding the market with US exports and US currency. Debt is wiped out very quickly. 

US Federal Reserve Boss: Ben Bernanke is a smart man and he knows what he is doing to help the US economy defeat the Chinese economic threat. 

US needs to increase its troop presence and stand up to external threats to US foreign interests. North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Syria and China are all part of an axis of evil against US Imperialism. US military grows and the US economy continues to  grow. 



numonex said:

Quantitative Easing and devaluing the currency will get the US out of debt with China. Printing more US money and flooding the market with US exports and US currency. Debt is wiped out very quickly.

US Federal Reserve Boss: Ben Bernanke is a smart man and he knows what he is doing to help the US economy defeat the Chinese economic threat.

US needs to increase its troop presence and stand up to external threats to US foreign interests. North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Syria and China are all part of an axis of evil against US Imperialism. US military grows and the US economy continues to  grow.

The only thing wrong with this money printing is that Americans will buy more stuff... and that stuff is made in China...



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Chairman-Mao said:

I have no respect for communists, in fact I hate them. I actually hope North Korea tries to take on South Korea so we have an excuse to take out North Korea.


Don't you think, an excuse is not that much needed?