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tooto123 said:

no holiday boost for GOW3  :(

only 17k

22k with the 5k from GoW Trilogy.

Next week should be insane for GoW III as its at $40 at some retailers on Black Friday and GameStop did a GoW 3 and Collection 160GB PS3 bundle for $299....



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thismeintiel said:
Seece said:
mhsillen said:
thismeintiel said:
ethomaz said:
Carl2291 said:

Am I the only person finding these numbers confusing?

No, me too.

Well, you have to remember 2 important things.  First, the holiday boost will always swing in Wii's favor, as it is not only the cheapest console, but it also appeals more to children (the group people mostly shop for during the holidays).  And second, this is the time of the year sales are harder to estimate, as things just go a little crazy.  There are almost always adjustments shortly after the holidays settle back to normal trends.  Personally, I think VGC maybe overestimating the boost for the Wii, while underestimating the boost for the PS3 and 360.

It appeals to family's, I'm 50 and my daughter is 19 and my sons are 28 and 29..see no children  nice attempt at a jab

May 360 and ps3 would like to appeal to the whole family at holidays 

?? Just because you don't have children doesn't mean his point is incorrect. I'm pretty sure there are many more out there like you, but the Wii is the most friendliest console to kids vs 360 and most certainly PS3. I don't think it was a jab just a general observation .. don't take such offense.

Well, I was going to respond, but you summed it up quite nicely.  Thanks. 


its a family console it's not that hard to understand.    . Saying the Wii  mostly appeals to kids is incorrect.  So I guess it was a little jab or just a throw away line. I'm not insulted just having a conversation.  The Wii  set out to be like the PS2 which had a huge diverse fan base. 

When the PS3 released sony made a mistake of going  after a narrow fan base of 15-25 year old males.   



Interesting numbers indeed, though I did expect the Wii to resume its top spot with the holidays in what has turned out to be one of the most financially burdened yet.



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GodOfWar_3ever said:
tooto123 said:

no holiday boost for GOW3  :(

only 17k

22k with the 5k from GoW Trilogy.

Next week should be insane for GoW III as its at $40 at some retailers on Black Friday and GameStop did a GoW 3 and Collection 160GB PS3 bundle for $299....


Don't forget Amazon had huge increases in all GOW sales, I think it was over 1000% increase in placement for GOW collection and GOW III was up a few hundred percent.



Seece said:
Metallicube said:

It's funny to me how so many people are so surprised at the Wii's resurgence during the holidays. Nintendo consoles always excell during the holidays, as parents are looking for gifts for their children. Being a member of a vg sales site, you'd think more would be aware of this. Even the miserable selling gamecube performed strongly during the holidays, at least in the US.

Plus, there is the bombshell of DKC that are likely lifting Wii sales before its launch as well as the continued strength of NSMB. DKC is going to reignite hype for the Wii more than most people here think.

Were you not proclaiming 3rd partys killed Wii a little while ago 0_o

Wha? i never said third parties have "killed the Wii." I might have said they were killing the Wii prematurely, meaning they were choking it of potential extended life. But in the short term at least, Wii should still sell very strongly during the holiday season, as long as Nintendo releases games like DKC that appeal to a massive audience. With massive PS2 type of support, I think the Wii could have sold strongly for 10 years, but since it does not have it, Nintendo will probably be forced to release another console in 2012.

I never said that Wii would falter during this holiday season, but feel free to call me on a post of mine that may have contradicted this statement if you can find one.



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thx1139 said:

Just looked back and the automatic well Nintendo always increases more during holidays is false. Previously gen GCN only increased past Xbox in 2003 when Nintendo dropped to $99.99 and in 2005 after 360 released.  Yes Wii has previously increased huge during holidays, but everything this year was pointing to different results.  I really will be very interested in seeing the NPD numbers for November when they leak.  Think the calculations giving Wii as big an icrease this year will need to be adjusted.


Why are you so suspicious of the Wii resurgence? As I said, DKC is going to be a bombshell, as it is a highly popular 2D platformer that has potential to really move hardware. Then you have the Red Wii bundle, the conintued strength of NSMB, Mario Allstars, Just Dance 2, Kirby, Goldeneye, Michael Jackson, etc, and the normal holiday boosts that usually favor Nintendo.

Wii sales have been poor the majority of this year because Nintendo has had virtually NO games that appeal to a wide audience and reinvigorate Wii sales. Basically, from Jan - Sep in 2010, the biggest Wii releases were: Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid Other M, both of which were clearly NOT hardware movers.

In the recent weeks, this has changed. Remember, software is what drives hardware sales. Sony and MS can throw out all the hardware addons they want, but at the end of the day, the populatiry of the GAMES is what is going to drive hardware sales, and there are no killer aps on those add ons that are pushing hardware. Black Ops is really the only recent hardware mover for the HD consoles.



Metallicube said:
thx1139 said:

Just looked back and the automatic well Nintendo always increases more during holidays is false. Previously gen GCN only increased past Xbox in 2003 when Nintendo dropped to $99.99 and in 2005 after 360 released.  Yes Wii has previously increased huge during holidays, but everything this year was pointing to different results.  I really will be very interested in seeing the NPD numbers for November when they leak.  Think the calculations giving Wii as big an icrease this year will need to be adjusted.


Why are you so suspicious of the Wii resurgence? As I said, DKC is going to be a bombshell, as it is a highly popular 2D platformer that has potential to really move hardware. Then you have the Red Wii bundle, the conintued strength of NSMB, Mario Allstars, Just Dance 2, Kirby, Goldeneye, Michael Jackson, etc, and the normal holiday boosts that usually favor Nintendo.

Wii sales have been poor the majority of this year because Nintendo has had virtually NO games that appeal to a wide audience and reinvigorate Wii sales. Basically, from Jan - Sep in 2010, the biggest Wii releases were: Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid Other M, both of which were clearly NOT hardware movers.

In the recent weeks, this has changed. Remember, software is what drives hardware sales. Sony and MS can throw out all the hardware addons they want, but at the end of the day, the populatiry of the GAMES is what is going to drive hardware sales, and there are no killer aps on those add ons that are pushing hardware. Black Ops is really the only recent hardware mover for the HD consoles.


would you please list all these new games that has been pushing wii sales the last couple weeks?



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psrock said:
Metallicube said:
thx1139 said:

Just looked back and the automatic well Nintendo always increases more during holidays is false. Previously gen GCN only increased past Xbox in 2003 when Nintendo dropped to $99.99 and in 2005 after 360 released.  Yes Wii has previously increased huge during holidays, but everything this year was pointing to different results.  I really will be very interested in seeing the NPD numbers for November when they leak.  Think the calculations giving Wii as big an icrease this year will need to be adjusted.


Why are you so suspicious of the Wii resurgence? As I said, DKC is going to be a bombshell, as it is a highly popular 2D platformer that has potential to really move hardware. Then you have the Red Wii bundle, the conintued strength of NSMB, Mario Allstars, Just Dance 2, Kirby, Goldeneye, Michael Jackson, etc, and the normal holiday boosts that usually favor Nintendo.

Wii sales have been poor the majority of this year because Nintendo has had virtually NO games that appeal to a wide audience and reinvigorate Wii sales. Basically, from Jan - Sep in 2010, the biggest Wii releases were: Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid Other M, both of which were clearly NOT hardware movers.

In the recent weeks, this has changed. Remember, software is what drives hardware sales. Sony and MS can throw out all the hardware addons they want, but at the end of the day, the populatiry of the GAMES is what is going to drive hardware sales, and there are no killer aps on those add ons that are pushing hardware. Black Ops is really the only recent hardware mover for the HD consoles.


would you please list all these new games that has been pushing wii sales the last couple weeks?

All you have to do is look at the top 10 to find that out.. NSMB, an extremely popular game, has extended its influenece into this year, as well as Wii Party, Michael Jackson, and DKC. Evergreen titles have the ability to power a console for an extended period of time. Wii has a number of 10 million selling games, and rest assured these games are helping it to sell this holiday.

I could answer your question with another question.. What new games should be pushing the HD console besides Call of Duty?

I don't publish the console sales, so I don't see why I should have to justify the numbers. These numbers are just estimates, and could be very far off. I don't deny that. But this is what has been posted. If you're that skeptical of the vgchartz numbers, just wait for NPD and leave it at that..



psrock said:
Metallicube said:
thx1139 said:

Just looked back and the automatic well Nintendo always increases more during holidays is false. Previously gen GCN only increased past Xbox in 2003 when Nintendo dropped to $99.99 and in 2005 after 360 released.  Yes Wii has previously increased huge during holidays, but everything this year was pointing to different results.  I really will be very interested in seeing the NPD numbers for November when they leak.  Think the calculations giving Wii as big an icrease this year will need to be adjusted.


Why are you so suspicious of the Wii resurgence? As I said, DKC is going to be a bombshell, as it is a highly popular 2D platformer that has potential to really move hardware. Then you have the Red Wii bundle, the conintued strength of NSMB, Mario Allstars, Just Dance 2, Kirby, Goldeneye, Michael Jackson, etc, and the normal holiday boosts that usually favor Nintendo.

Wii sales have been poor the majority of this year because Nintendo has had virtually NO games that appeal to a wide audience and reinvigorate Wii sales. Basically, from Jan - Sep in 2010, the biggest Wii releases were: Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid Other M, both of which were clearly NOT hardware movers.

In the recent weeks, this has changed. Remember, software is what drives hardware sales. Sony and MS can throw out all the hardware addons they want, but at the end of the day, the populatiry of the GAMES is what is going to drive hardware sales, and there are no killer aps on those add ons that are pushing hardware. Black Ops is really the only recent hardware mover for the HD consoles.


would you please list all these new games that has been pushing wii sales the last couple weeks?

All you have to do is look at the top 10 to find that out.. NSMB, an extremely popular game, has extended its influenece into this year, as well as Wii Party, Michael Jackson, and DKC. Evergreen titles have the ability to power a console for an extended period of time. Wii has a number of 10 million selling games, and rest assured these games are helping it to sell this holiday.

I could answer your question with another question.. What new games should be pushing the HD console besides Call of Duty?

I don't publish the console sales, so I don't see why I should have to justify the numbers. These numbers are just estimates, and could be very far off. I don't deny that. But this is what has been posted. If you're that skeptical of the vgchartz numbers, just wait for NPD and leave it at that..



Flop of the week:  NBA Jam for HD consoles.  Xbox 360 version 1st week sales were 15,000.  PS3 wasn't even in the top 200 @ 10,000 in sales.

I was expecting EA to see superior HD sales and then point the finger at the lackluster no-online Wii version.  However, at this point, Wii is outselling both versions. 



 

Most anticipated games of 2011:

Uncharted 3,Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Rocksmith

Modern Warfare 3, Super Mario 3D