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We've heard the endless nagging from everywhere to save save save.

But have you noticed? The less we use, the higher the price go?

Now, not only do we 'have to' use less, we're getting charged more for it.

Not to mention having to buy the more expensive bulbs.

And it gets worse, you get charge even more during "peak hours".

So, basically, in order  to save (more than others), you'll have to do all your cooking and laundry and everything in the middle of the night.



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Galaki said:

We've heard the endless nagging from everywhere to save save save.

But have you noticed? The less we use, the higher the price go?

Now, not only do we 'have to' use less, we're getting charged more for it.

Not to mention having to buy the more expensive bulbs.

And it gets worse, you get charge even more during "peak hours".

So, basically, in order  to save (more than others), you'll have to do all your cooking and laundry and everything in the middle of the night.

 

I really don't see the problem with it. Global energy prices are going to continue to rise as long as power plants are being powered by something thats not in infinite supply. 

 

Do you pay your own electric bill or do your parents still pay it? Last time I checked, my entire house was electric. I have no gas, no propane in my house. My heat comes from electricity, all of my appliances are electric. ELECTRICITY IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN GAS, EVEN WITH SHORTAGES. 

 

So what do all of my energy saving bulbs, small solar panels, and custom made solar heaters add up to? A whopping $130/month electric bill in the dead of winter with a foot of snow on the ground. And thats in my 1500 square foot house /w 2 floors, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, family room, walk in closets, kitchen and dining room, and attached 2 car climate controlled garage. I REALLY can't complain about the rewards of trying to save energy when my parents spend $400 /month  on their gas/electric bill in the dead of winter.



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Well, I don't see it that way at all.

Drilling for oil is becoming increasingly complex as we need to drill deeper to reach new reserves. Same with gas too. We are dependent on our fuels, and our fuels are becoming harder and harder to reach. This is why we need to research into alternate (not limited to renewable as some seem to think) energy sources.

The country that discovers how to harness a new source of energy in a practical manner will be a future superpower, trust me. France are on the ball already, they are investing heavily into alternate energy (including fusion), and in the future their investment will pay off big time.

I remember hearing once that for every pound invested in technology R&D by the UK government they typically expect a return of up to seven times their initial investment to be brought back into the economy (which is one of the reasons I’m against raising tuition fees and I think it will have a knock on effect for this). I reckon alternate energy research will be a big hitter, returning far more than the initial investment.

It also wouldn't hurt to conduct research into better energy efficiency too. For example, energy efficiency wasn't thought of when the internet was developed, and hasn't been acted on since. As a result we just pour (and waste) energy on keeping it running, wehn it could be many times more efficient.

And energy saving light bulbs in the UK are about 10p each (admittedly subsidised by the government though).



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.. You can get energy saving bulbs here for pretty cheap. When I bought my house I found them on sale in bulk. I bought 50 of them for $10. I still haven't halfway filled my house with them.



HexenLord said:
Galaki said:

We've heard the endless nagging from everywhere to save save save.

But have you noticed? The less we use, the higher the price go?

Now, not only do we 'have to' use less, we're getting charged more for it.

Not to mention having to buy the more expensive bulbs.

And it gets worse, you get charge even more during "peak hours".

So, basically, in order  to save (more than others), you'll have to do all your cooking and laundry and everything in the middle of the night.

 

I really don't see the problem with it. Global energy prices are going to continue to rise as long as power plants are being powered by something thats not in infinite supply. 

 

Do you pay your own electric bill or do your parents still pay it? Last time I checked, my entire house was electric. I have no gas, no propane in my house. My heat comes from electricity, all of my appliances are electric. ELECTRICITY IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN GAS, EVEN WITH SHORTAGES. 

 

So what do all of my energy saving bulbs, small solar panels, and custom made solar heaters add up to? A whopping $130/month electric bill in the dead of winter with a foot of snow on the ground. And thats in my 1500 square foot house /w 2 floors, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, family room, walk in closets, kitchen and dining room, and attached 2 car climate controlled garage. I REALLY can't complain about the rewards of trying to save energy when my parents spend $400 /month  on their gas/electric bill in the dead of winter.

830 square foot. 1 floor. 2 people, 2 bedrooms.

My bill came out $142.29 for the month of August.

You know how many games I could have bought with that money!?



Galaki said:
HexenLord said:

I really don't see the problem with it. Global energy prices are going to continue to rise as long as power plants are being powered by something thats not in infinite supply. 

 

Do you pay your own electric bill or do your parents still pay it? Last time I checked, my entire house was electric. I have no gas, no propane in my house. My heat comes from electricity, all of my appliances are electric. ELECTRICITY IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN GAS, EVEN WITH SHORTAGES. 

 

So what do all of my energy saving bulbs, small solar panels, and custom made solar heaters add up to? A whopping $130/month electric bill in the dead of winter with a foot of snow on the ground. And thats in my 1500 square foot house /w 2 floors, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, family room, walk in closets, kitchen and dining room, and attached 2 car climate controlled garage. I REALLY can't complain about the rewards of trying to save energy when my parents spend $400 /month  on their gas/electric bill in the dead of winter.

830 square foot. 1 floor. 2 people, 2 bedrooms.

My bill came out $142.29 for the month of August.

You know how many games I could have bought with that money!?


Honestly saving money on your bills aren't nearly as hard as everyone thinks. 

 

The bulbs I have were bought in bulk, so I didn't pay any more for them than regular 60-80w bulbs. When I moved into the house, I didn't have any bulbs at all so I needed all new ones. So for the energy saving ones, I actually came out way on top from the get-go.

 

Solar panels were from Harbor Freight using some of their coupons. 40W solar panel for $129. I bought 3 of them after taxes for less than $500. In the daytime they probably counter most of the electricity I use in my house (assuming no heat/AC). 

 

As for the solar heaters, search pop can heater on youtube or google. Just a bunch of aluminum cans that I would have otherwise thrown away, placed inside of a wooden frame and covered with glass. Paint them with black BBQ paint and drill holes in the bottom so air can flow through multiple cans lined up in a string. The sun superheats the air in the cans and I have it blowing into my garage. Keeps my garage heated in the winter as long as there is sunlight. When the garage gets heated, I usually open the door going into my family room and let the heat seep into the rest of the house.

 

Total cost for all of this, I think no more than $600, and $500 of that was the Solar Panels.



Stop complaining my power bill was $1700AUD for three months during winter.

Since our dollar is worth more than the US now well...

The reason they do peak pricing is to spread the peaks to minimise damage of the electricity network. Here in Aus we don't do pricing like that yet but it is coming.

 

At the moment themore you use the less it costs

 

there are three tiers

first - 21cent per kW

second like 18cents

third like 14cents.

 

I noticed that in california the more you use the higher the price goes up per tier lol.

 



 

 

In 2100 there will be so many people on planet earth that war because of water will happen. Many people won't have a house because that's too expensive, and diseases will spread.

3rd World War may reduce the number of people on earth to some 5 billion.

Repeat cycle till 2400, where we're gonna move to the moon and beyond.