Honestly, I dont know how Tose decide the number of replace console is 4 million. I dont know if we should trust this number either. But still, no reason to dismise logic and argue what theprof is saying. There may be console counted twice in Xbox numbers.

No, 3 unit. The first one purchase by the consumer, the one he get in store replacement for, and then the refurb one is being re-shipped and re-sale.

Awwww! You're upset! This is just a thread that's open for discussion! Nothing in the forum rules against it. I personally don't agree with the numbers and I even said so in the original post! You really just shouldn't take tracking for granted. If a truckload of 360s disappeared on the road, they would have to ship more in, which affects shipped numbers, which affect sales tracking, because trackers like NPD don't track every single unit from retailers. They might for places like gamestop, but say I sold consoles on Ebay and Amazon and sold like 1,000 a week. NPD wouldn't be able to track that. See how easy it is to forget that even big strong powerful manly corporations like NPD could miss information?

I'm just making conversation and wondering how the numbers could possibly be true.

There could be a context in which it's true, where NPD wouldn't be able to correctly track the numbers.

*hugs zhao and laughs*

Oh by the way, defective units are handled a different way for stores.

When I worked for BestBuy, if a product stopped working within 3 months, they got a brand new one right off the shelf. This defective unit would be sent back and we wouldn't get a refurb, we'd get a brand new one in its place.

So, given this context, it's also possible that rather than receiving a refurb not included in shipped numbers, the stores with special warranty and return policies could be receiving shipped units in place of the refurb. This scenario is even better for both companies, and business-wise more likely.

MS would be able to repackage the repaired console as a new one, and gamestop would keep the warranty costs. This would also explain why Gamestop eventually stopped selling warranties because as quality improved it took longer to fail, if it fell outside the defective unit grace period, they'd start receiving refurbs, and probably started building quite a large stockpile.

Evidence that supports this is that within one month or so, you could still return the item if it became defective. Also, warranties were pulled in its third year.

whats the issue here, we all know its fake.

corporate fiscal numbers from MS and Sony show the gap is at 3 million......

nothing to see here, moving on

shipped != sales and tthose will be old figures ps3 would have sold and shipped more by the time they had finished putting reports together.

On Topic:

congrats ps3, and lol at all the denial in here, TOSE is a very professional company i seriously doubt that they would leak false numbers it would make them look bad, Oddly enough ninty uses them for outsourcing take that one and try and spin it

so you think 360 over shipped 4m?

even kotaku didn't trust them

http://www.kotaku.jp/2010/11/ps3_360_tie.html

So you're saying the company runs its own tracking service in America similar to NPD?  Otherwise how do you explain where they're getting their numbers from?  For example how would they know the number of returns or whatever in the U.S. unless they're collecting the numbers from a majority of sales terminals like NPD does?

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Its been confirmed to be wrong. The guys who made that article apologized for it.

The gap is in fact 3 million.

Now id like an apology :)