thanks.

I agree it's better to have everyone's input... it also makes the game also more challenging for the mafia as they have to think in a skewed way instead of idling with the bandwagon townies. I say challenging, cause in the few game's I've played, besides nameclaiming, this has been one of the most frequent way to catch a mafia, proof that it's hard.

For townies, well they lose the hunt the idler method... which technically only exists because of part of the town (hence if the town lynches an idling townie, it's his fault).

Prof don't start this "multiple levels of play" thing until we're more than NO NIGHTS AT ALL into the game.

Actually, while I'm on this point

I am diametrically opposed to first-day lynches. I do not think we should end the day before we've had plenty of good conversation, but I will throw this out to show my intentions for the first day:

Vote: No Lynch

I remember in a game where they had a list of all the character names, and someone declared to identify all ourselves to those names, I was mafia that time, and I shat bricks. Good thing I never nameclaimed that time, though.

I'm not wary of first-day lynches, as a day where we spare a kill is almost like a day wasted. I don't see how, with good observations, a first-day lynch shouldn't be used. But as of now, there isn't much to go on, though I do see some potential. I vote for neither anyone or No Lynch.

Unvote

Well, I've never actually lied in a game. But I have been misleading. 

I'm a little surprised you can't see how a lie could affect mafia. Say, a doctor hinting at being a bomb, or hinting at being a vanilla townie, or I could even see how "playing straight" (just straight facts etc) can trick mafia into thinking they are a power role, etc etc. There is a lot more going on than just the words on the page. 

While in the latter example, I could see confusion happening for the doctor, it is also the mafia who is looking for the power roles.

I'm failing to explain it properly.

I just know I'm right, and deception is part of the game. 

Last game cell was supposed to eat the androids. Mafia immediately knew that vette was an android simply by his defense of androids being a pro-town role. Mafia read this stuff very carefully. Had someone else "lied" and "pretended" to be an android, mafia would've wasted their choice on the substitute.

I'd subscribe to a mass name-claim if it helps catch the scum.... but that feels like the opposite of the point of Mafia, doesn't it?

"I will lynch anyone who meta-theorizes too much"

"Prof don't start this "multiple levels of play" thing until we're more than NO NIGHTS AT ALL into the game."

"NO LYNCH"

What're you trying to do there khuutie?

Asking you to not make me try to lynch you, and declaring (through vote) that I would rather not.

I am diametrically opposed to first-day lynches; it would take someone holdin me to my word to make me try for a hanging this early.

Also:

diametrically opposed to being called cootie

Yeah, but the thing was that the list was right at the op, it sucked major time for us scum.

and yeah, it did destroyed the flow of the game. 

That's the problem though: Only in very certain circumstances are pro-town lies acceptable. For example, like you said, the doctor saving their skin. But what about a townie lying about being a power role such as the tracker and getting someone lynched? All that does is lead to a mislynch. Lying is only beneficial when you won't get caught n it and there is no chance someone else might get lynched. Lies catching up to townies is, as I said, cataclysmic and could lead to mislynches.