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darthdevidem01 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Xxain said:

The Japanese Industry is fine. Yea there struggleing with a identity crisis, and a stagment in game desigh but thats nowhere near the dangers that western world brings to the industry.

Lets make movies not games mentality

abuse of DLC

anual releases of basically the same game over and over again

 

just the genral lack of creativity, imagination, and originality. The day western developers rule the industry is the day the true crash will happen... thay just dont have talent to maintain it by themselves

Seriously, considering 4 games out of my top 5 this gen (with the Western game being my fifth favorite), I just don't understand these comments about how Japan is lacking compared to the West in innovation, especially from Inafune.



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As others have pointed out, Japanese publishers are still making more money than the Western publishers. Smaller Japanese devs may be struggling and the perception that the Japanese industry is struggling is more to do with the fact that much of Japanese development has migrated to handhelds. Console (software) sales are down overall but they still manage to make money.

The other issue is that in terms of technology, Japan is very far behind the West. Even the best looking Japanese games are only average on a technical level.



Japan has a shrinking population while at the same time other markets have opened/grown in gaming;.

China had in 2002 an gaming market of 200 million $ this year it will be around 4,5 Billion $ and that is only for the online gaming market, South America, East Europe, Russia, India are all growing market so it is not strange to see the Japanese market going down to 10% of the world;



 

KillerMan said:
kowenicki said:

Yes.  Of course it is.

There is lots of evidence and support for this notion and I have cited much of it in the past...always been shot down though because the much of this site, its forum and its owners/contributors have a soft spot (might even say favour) the Japanese games industry.

Now I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that but it does tend to colour ones judgement. 

 

Just look at financial reports from publishers.It's west that is doing poorly. Yes unit wise western publishers ship more games nowadays but it doesn't mean anything if you are unable to make profit from those sales. I also love how people forget handhelds. Japanese companies are dominating handheld software market.


nad you know that XBOX the main western console doesn't have a handheld so the games are both western and japanese

 

xbox on consoles bought alot of western games and PS3 the other japanese third party supporting hardware manufacture made big mistakes so this gen turned out bad for japanese industry



MrT-Tar said:

Outside of Nintendo and Level-5, Japan isn't quite as rosy

Outside Valve and Blizzard, the same's basically true in the west.  Really, almost everyone is doing awful these days, regardless of location.



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Scoobes said:

As others have pointed out, Japanese publishers are still making more money than the Western publishers. Smaller Japanese devs may be struggling and the perception that the Japanese industry is struggling is more to do with the fact that much of Japanese development has migrated to handhelds. Console (software) sales are down overall but they still manage to make money.

The other issue is that in terms of technology, Japan is very far behind the West. Even the best looking Japanese games are only average on a technical level.

But that also comes into the issue of the West and Japan largely catering to two different segments. The consoles the West has focused on are themselves more technologically advanced, so it makes sense that the West has the edge there because the primary realm they're engaged in is itself more technologically advanced, so they have more expertise there

Someone could point to the grand, technologically ambitious The Old Republic from BioWare, a PC MMO, and compare it to the clumsy FFXIV from Square Enix and talk about Japanese regression, but put BioWare on the DS and you get Sonic Chronicles. Put Square Enix on the DS? You get Dragon Quest IX



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Mr Khan said:
Scoobes said:

As others have pointed out, Japanese publishers are still making more money than the Western publishers. Smaller Japanese devs may be struggling and the perception that the Japanese industry is struggling is more to do with the fact that much of Japanese development has migrated to handhelds. Console (software) sales are down overall but they still manage to make money.

The other issue is that in terms of technology, Japan is very far behind the West. Even the best looking Japanese games are only average on a technical level.

But that also comes into the issue of the West and Japan largely catering to two different segments. The consoles the West has focused on are themselves more technologically advanced, so it makes sense that the West has the edge there because the primary realm they're engaged in is itself more technologically advanced, so they have more expertise there

Someone could point to the grand, technologically ambitious The Old Republic from BioWare, a PC MMO, and compare it to the clumsy FFXIV from Square Enix and talk about Japanese regression, but put BioWare on the DS and you get Sonic Chronicles. Put Square Enix on the DS? You get Dragon Quest IX

Now you didnt have to throw Sonic underneath the bus to prove a point. You could of used a different example.



Xxain said:
Mr Khan said:
Scoobes said:

As others have pointed out, Japanese publishers are still making more money than the Western publishers. Smaller Japanese devs may be struggling and the perception that the Japanese industry is struggling is more to do with the fact that much of Japanese development has migrated to handhelds. Console (software) sales are down overall but they still manage to make money.

The other issue is that in terms of technology, Japan is very far behind the West. Even the best looking Japanese games are only average on a technical level.

But that also comes into the issue of the West and Japan largely catering to two different segments. The consoles the West has focused on are themselves more technologically advanced, so it makes sense that the West has the edge there because the primary realm they're engaged in is itself more technologically advanced, so they have more expertise there

Someone could point to the grand, technologically ambitious The Old Republic from BioWare, a PC MMO, and compare it to the clumsy FFXIV from Square Enix and talk about Japanese regression, but put BioWare on the DS and you get Sonic Chronicles. Put Square Enix on the DS? You get Dragon Quest IX

Now you didnt have to throw Sonic underneath the bus to prove a point. You could of used a different example.

:(. Look at my sig. I'm not the kind to needlessly bash Sonic at all, but Chronicles was, at best, a missed opportunity even for fans of modern Sonic games like me, and the game certainly failed on a production values standpoint



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Solid_Snake4RD said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

720 needs to have japanese support from the start

Why? So they can sell more consoles in Japan. It ain't worth much in regards to software sales.

People boast about PS3 doing great in Japan but they've only sold 25 million games there. In NA the PS3 sold 145 million games.


i was not talking about it benefiting 360 but it benfiting the japanese games industry

this thread is about japanese games declining not west struggling

 

and the PS3 sales in japan and west isn't the topic

it is how japanese games sell everywhere that is both the west and japan

I see, but I don't think support is the problem. They just need to start putting out better games.



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jarrod said:
MrT-Tar said:

Outside of Nintendo and Level-5, Japan isn't quite as rosy

Outside Valve and Blizzard, the same's basically true in the west.  Really, almost everyone is doing awful these days, regardless of location.


activision doesn't really have that good profits either,they have big revenues though

 

and it is not the same as the game liking of gamers is starting to change