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They do.  It's called acceptable accounting practices.  The less money they say they make, the less taxes they have to pay. 



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darkknightkryta said:
RVDondaPC said:
bugrimmar said:

On that note, why is Blizzard even hanging with Activision? I'm sure they have more than enough capital to buy themselves out.. or do I not know what I'm talking about?

p.s. Blizzard will never get a cent from me again until they split with Activision. Screw!


You don't know what you are talking about. 

Blizzard is owned by Activision-Blizzard. Activision-Blizzard is a holding company that owns both Activision and Blizzard. Any capital Blizzard has is Activision-Blizzards capital. The only way Blizzard would split from Activision is if Activision-Blizzard agrees to sell Blizzard to another company. Of course it doesn't have to be a company like EA. A capital investment company could come in and buy Blizzard and it would just be Blizzard. Or I guess they could sell Activision to another company just as easily. But either way it's very unlikely to ever happen and def wont happen in the near future. 

What I don't get though is why the hostility towards it's association with Activision? I mean Blizzard was owned by another shitty video game publisher before it was associated with Acivision. It's not like it was it's own company and then got bought out by Activision. And it's not like it's management changed when it became part of Activision-Blizzard. It's in the same exact boat as it has been when you liked them. 

Except with Kotick in charge?  (Note I mean that as a question, is Kotick just running Activision or is he running all of Activision-Blizzard?)


I don't know why everyone hates him but if you ask me Kotick is probably the smartest person out of the whole video game industry. He may say some brash statements that piss people(gamers) off but in reality he's usually dead on with what he says. He's a business man and you need a business man to run a business. But he also knows you have to give the consumers what they want. He's good at finding a balance. People may hate him for "milking" franchises but if we didn't get a new COD every year most of us would be pissed. 



They either have low contributions due to higher variable costs or they simply have higher fixed costs than you may think..or it could be both as in high variable costs and high fixed costs.



Activision isn't a very well run company...Kotick basically squanders alot of what Blizzard makes in profit, but the Blizzard guys don't really care, since they get their bonuses and anyway...and due to the nature of their merger, they can always look to do a Bungie with Activision.



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Miguel_Zorro said:
thranx said:
Jereel Hunter said:
Degausser said:

 20% is very low compared to most retail margins which are often 100% plus. Obviously it depends on what you're selling, but 20% isn't alot when you think of all the costs asscociated with running a game shop - staff wages, electricity / heating, loss to theft, tax, store rental and games not selling and thus being sold off cheap.


Don't waste your time explaining things to people. People like the ones arguing here do not realize that buying something for $48 and selling it for $60 is NOT $12 of profit. They don't realize that the cost of running the store comes out of that. or that for ever Halo game that comes out and sells bucket loads at full price, there's loads of copies of Shovelware Party on clearance for $15 that cost them more than $15. Math is hard, and they are ignoring everything besides $60-$48=$12.

Profit margin. Its what i've been talking about. How have I been wrong about that? Where was my math wrong? Care to link to all these facts you have? Or you just making them up? I have to see anyone back up the claim no money is made on the sale of video games

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Dealing with you is a complete waste of time.  This sums it up:




For me not having a clue you seem it hard to find facts to prove me wrong. You have time to find a nice pic but not time to link to actual data or facts. I guess we can all see who is wrong here



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RVDondaPC said:
darkknightkryta said:
RVDondaPC said:
bugrimmar said:

On that note, why is Blizzard even hanging with Activision? I'm sure they have more than enough capital to buy themselves out.. or do I not know what I'm talking about?

p.s. Blizzard will never get a cent from me again until they split with Activision. Screw!


You don't know what you are talking about. 

Blizzard is owned by Activision-Blizzard. Activision-Blizzard is a holding company that owns both Activision and Blizzard. Any capital Blizzard has is Activision-Blizzards capital. The only way Blizzard would split from Activision is if Activision-Blizzard agrees to sell Blizzard to another company. Of course it doesn't have to be a company like EA. A capital investment company could come in and buy Blizzard and it would just be Blizzard. Or I guess they could sell Activision to another company just as easily. But either way it's very unlikely to ever happen and def wont happen in the near future. 

What I don't get though is why the hostility towards it's association with Activision? I mean Blizzard was owned by another shitty video game publisher before it was associated with Acivision. It's not like it was it's own company and then got bought out by Activision. And it's not like it's management changed when it became part of Activision-Blizzard. It's in the same exact boat as it has been when you liked them. 

Except with Kotick in charge?  (Note I mean that as a question, is Kotick just running Activision or is he running all of Activision-Blizzard?)


I don't know why everyone hates him but if you ask me Kotick is probably the smartest person out of the whole video game industry. He may say some brash statements that piss people(gamers) off but in reality he's usually dead on with what he says. He's a business man and you need a business man to run a business. But he also knows you have to give the consumers what they want. He's good at finding a balance. People may hate him for "milking" franchises but if we didn't get a new COD every year most of us would be pissed. 


I actually meant that question, does Kotick run all of Activision-Blizzard?  Or does he just run the Activision portion?



Kotick should be getting nice bonuses...



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Bobby runs everything Activision/Blizzard.  But I would say that Blizzard has much more control than most developers in a large publishing organization.



If you are looking for links on the internet that will tell you the exact margins for any particular item, you will be looking for a long time.  Margins vary from product to product and from day to day.  I ran Best Buy stores for 8 years, and i can tell you exactly how unprofitable video games are.  Like it has been mentioned, most of the margins on video games are very low (cost is $52-$56 on a retail price of $59 with some costs at the $48 that has been mentioned).  The difference is that when the retailers sell it for $35, they have an agreement with the supplier/video game company to lower their cost of the item to the new price point only for the # of units sold that particular period of the sale.  the retailer gets a credit or cash back depending on the deal.  Most every item in the weekly ads have been deals "paid for" by the company that makes the product to ensure that their product is featured in the ad at the price that they want it at.  There are certain companies that will only agree to help pay for the advertising(called co-op) if they get to choose the price in the advertisement.  

 

Regardless, video games generally do have extremely small margins 5-20%.   The games themselves generally are money losers after you factor in the cost of labor/shipping/other overhead costs.  The real money in the video game category comes from the add ons.  They are mostly items like accessories(chargers,controllers, storage devices) or memberships(netflix,xbox live).  Just so we are sure that everybody understands how margin is calculated let's show an example.  Item A costs the retailer $50, and he sells it for $60.  The margin is $10 or 20% of the original price to purchase it.  So, the retailer gets a 20% margin if they sell it at $60.  Margin has nothing to do with other variables such as overhead(electricity, cost of retail space, insurance, labor, etc...), it is simply the percent of profit from the original cost of a particular item.  If you want to average out all of the items sold in a store and figure out the profit margin for the whole store, it works the same.  But, if you want to discuss the bottom line profitability of the store, then you take all of your margin dollars and subtract the overhead costs to get the overall profit of the store.  Most Best Buys have an overhead cost between 13-16%, and their overall margin is about 18-22%.  If you had any idea on how little it takes to make any retail location unprofitable, you would be very surprised.  Why do you think that they push warranties and accessories(these two items usually have 30-50% margins) at you every chance they get??

 

 



Jexy said:

They do.  It's called acceptable accounting practices.  The less money they they make, the less taxes they have to pay. 

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Businesses buy new companies or other things to lower profit to lower taxes they have to pay.