3. Unfortunately, you can't know sales numbers for PC as virtually all tracking firms have no clue as to how popular digital distribution has become. Services like Steam now have 30 million active users (meaning they all have gaming quality PCs and purchase games), and that's only a single download service. Publishers such as EA have their own download services, but none of them release sales figures.

What we do know is that certain games like Mass Effect 2 saw similar sales numbers at release on the PC and 360, and Dragon Age Origins actually sold better on PC than the console counterparts. Just because a game is console exclusive doesn't mean the PC version won't eat into console sales. Many people will play the game on PC.

4. Those games aren't full exclusives. They're console exclusives. I play Mass Effect 2 on PC, not 360. I don't need a 360 to play it (although I have one). Last time I checked the definition used for an "exclusive" on VGChartz is that it has to be a full (as in completely exclusive on a single platform, not PC/360) exclusive. PC/360 or PC/PS3 are "console exclusives".

I'd also like to know how you can forsee the DLC support of ME2 & 3 on PS3 considerring neither have been released. Considerring how late ME2 is in comming to PS3 I would guess Sony have forced EA to put some of the DLC in the game for free.

Man do you have to reply within my quotations? It gets so confusing this way.

well to try to tell so much and write about so many topics that i have to replies individually

1- I read the shipment difference was 8.5 million at peak. Still it's sold that matters, Initially there was a 5 million gap, Peak 360 gap was 8.1 million, currently 3.9 million, and I didn't check after the adjustment, but I bet before the 360 Slim launch it was even lower (3.5 maybe?).

and what does that have to do with our discussion?

this is what you do,first accuse the person of comparing it the wrong way and then when you are proven wong you start another topic through that decusion and write wall abou it

2- Dunno what your talking about, I quoted you and Squilliam, I'm allowed to respond to both people. Think your just trying to give me a bad reputation, even though I didn't do anthing wrong here.

you didn't quote squill,you quoted me and then tried to mix it in

3- Dunno about that one, even my parents knew Gamecube was Nintendo. and Nintendo 64, not Nintendo enough..

well because your parents did not everybody else did

my dad follows finance news so he knows all about it and as i'm so into it,he keeps a bit of info too doesn't mean everybody does

Nintendo 64 has ninty name but did everybody knew NES and SNES were from  the same sompany,no they wouldn't know

its simple its like when you seacrh on google for something and find alot of acronyms which we don't know full abreviations on.Its the same when a new product comes in with a new acronym or name

Funny you mention the delay in the N64 and the lack of third party support as your reason why the N64 failed, didn't the Wii do the exact same thing and become successful?

again you didn't understand what the other person is trying to say

yes wii also didn't perfect their systems but their competitor made even bigger mistakes with the price way out of line and plus it too had low game support

try to judge different situations differently

my point was the market leader made mistake and other other went through,in Wii and PS3's case both made mistake but SONY's decision to go after blu-ray royalties had them PS3 even more expensive

Also Playstation Brand-name is not really that much more established then Microsoft gameingwise. I mean in Americas region, 360 outsells PS3 5:3, and in EMEAA they are almost even. It's been 4 years since PS3 launched, if Brand name were that big I'm sure the 360 wouldn't have kept pace for so long.

lol

this just shows your bias comments and completly proves everything i have been saying about you.

having been way over expensive with a megaton pricetag,low game support,on year late start and still alot more expensive and still be just 2.9m units behinds,that shows you what brand power means

you prove your own argument invalid

if yo still didn't understand

just imagin what would have happened if all the above mentioned things were opposite in 360's bag

I will tell you what would have happened,PS3 would be kind like PS2,360 nowhere near it

4- All you did was insult my comment, but didn't provide a counter arguement.

i don't need to most of the times,you prove yourself wrong that i don't have to contribute much.

and i donot insult your comment,your comment is insulting itself

Also I don't think the arcade will go down to $100, but $130. The difference in price is the hard drive, and just like the cost of the 360, the cost of the hard drive goes down too. It's not necessarily in increments of $100.

that again proves your argument of 360 having a bigger Pricecut than PS3

again you first didn't need to start this nonsensicle debate but you did and then you corrected yourself and the extra stuff is necesary that you go about,the opposite person didn't want to debate the first thing you said and still go on about Hard drive..............lol

5- I made mistakes by choice? huh? That wouldn't be a mistake anymore.

yeah it wasn't but yu showed like it was

Okay seriously, stop with the hate, I know our past debates lead to you being banned on these forums, but please debate. Don't return every comment I had with essenially "lies""your bad" or "bias." I want to have a proper debate..

well if you want a proper debate then debate properly which you don't and its not even a debatewhen the opposite person doesn't listen

BTW MS buying Kinects was a joke, but if they can afford 3M Kinects with their marketing budget, they must expect the peripheral to sell moderatly well.

expectations and the ability to buy products with their marketing budget have no correlation

again you post alot more than you need to

indication: you could have just said the MS buying kinect was a joke but you went further and beyond

6- So PS3 sales jumping from 150k weekly sales (which it held for months) to 240k weekly sales from Sept 11th to Oct 2nd was for what reason? Unlike Halo which spiked sales for 1 or two weeks, Move holds it up. Console bundles are not limited, and it appeals to a broad audience.

well if you know the adjustments were tracked

VGC just put there as they thought that is where the shipped numbers came by

but the shipped numbers were more than VGC numbers even in the previous quarters so PS3 was actually selling well even before

Two weeks ago I didn't think Move would budge PS3 sales, and I was wrong, just like VGChartz was before the adjustment.

and you are wrong now

cause VGC adjustments are just assumptions.their number and shipped numbers has discrepencies so they adjust in their as they thugh this cause higher shipped numbers but PS3 shipped number were already more than VGC in the previous quarters

ioi itself said that they didn't track the PS3 sales and because of the higher PS3 shipped numbers,they just assumed and entered the number aorund MOVE's release

but that assumption is wrong as they difference in VGC and shipped numbers was from even before MOVE's release

No look at Nintendo's press conference, they have charts showing PS3 sales jumped during Move, I thought that too, that the Move bump as too high, but it wasn't really. Before Move, 360 was outselling the PS3.

MOVE boosted PS3's sales but not to the fact as sown by VGC,they just made adjustmeant on asuumptions

and ninty's press conference didn't show real numbers just charts

before MOVE,PS3 was still outselling the 360.

we just thought that it didn't cause VGC numbers were wrong and when shipped numbers came in and difference showed,to hide it the adjustments were made around to MOVE's release to justify it

but the difference was even in the previous quarter's shipped and VGC results so the the adjustments are right as the whole figures but not as weekly figures showed

I don't understand that underlined bit, people thought Kinect was a man toy? First of all, whats a man toy, and if your refering to the hardcore audience, exactly what is it about Dance Central and Kinect Adventures that appeals to the hardcore audience??

yes i meant hardcore audience and i didn't say kinect was a man toy but 360 which is the platform on which kinect is being played on

Kinect is not an all in one package? huh? It's 1 camera, there is no second peice. Move is not an all in one package, and purchase options can be confusing for that.

sums up your argument,you are just stuck on 360 vs PS3

nobody is here talking about MOVE.this is what you do outseide arguments to jsutify your failing arguments and going offtopic

kinect is one itself but it isn't like wii,one on package console afrom the starting

how much ever MS tries to launch it as a new plaform,it will have pre-image because it is to be played on 360

wii is seen as one package of motion gaming,not 360 and kinect

Also Move is expensive too. Both charge a $100 extra when bundled with a console, the only difference is standalone Kinect costs $150. However the PS3 Move bundles only account for 1 move controller, no navigation controller ($30 extra), and if you play with friends, a second controller is $40? (right?), plus a second navigation controller ($30). So both peripherals are expensive, but Move seems to be pushing a lot of consoles, I don't see why Kinect won't.

you fail again,you will be stcuk with 360 and PS3 all its life won't you?

keep move out of here

and again MOVE and Eye cost $80

nd it can be played on many of games you are already buying

and the NAV and extra MOVE are your choice

keep trying to make it look more expensive and twist info to prove that point you want to prove but you will fail again and again

What problems about Kinect are you refering to? and since kinect appeals to a casual audience, I don't think it's appeal will be limited to the 2 month period before christmas 2010.

the casual audience hops on the COOL bandwagon and popular,MS will market it big till chrismas  and it will be popular but will go down once the party season ends and casual makert doesn't follow gaming all year round

It's going to be pushing consoles all year round.

lmao

you are so optimistic and so supportive of what you want to succeed bu it won't and nowhere near an year round

As for your opinion on Wii, thats your opinion. I know a lot of people who bought a Wii day 1 and still love it. Hardcore gamers might get bored of it, but the vast majority of the Wii audience is not a hardcore gamer.So who knows what they are thinking. I bet a lot of fitness nuts who bought a Wii Fit look at Kinect as a much more efficient exercise machine.

hardcore gamer or not,people get bored of things.they find it COOL and dop on but once it loses coolness,the casual audience goes down

7- What are you talking about? What exactly have I done that's not respective of you? Your accusing me of choosing my mistakes, twisting the truth around, and  trying to make people enter a debate?

mistakes,thats for you to decide.now if you make a mistake jsut admit it not go about it."you see i make mistake about kinect too"

twisting the truth,fales info and doesn't correct it even after other person tells you to correct it and stuck on your won things to prove your point

Squilliam was the person I quoted! How could I try to force him into a debate? He was the one in it first, and I was just backing him up.

you wren't forcing him but me,tryting to start his debate with me and go beyond  and discuss that

What advice do you have for me? Look I don't unsult you, or acuse you of things, I keep to the topic at hand, and all I ask in return is you do the same. I do not want a repeat of your behaviour last time.

keep to the topic at hand................lmao

just look at where the topic has gone while at your hand

you go way beyond topic and write walls of text.i have pointed this in this reply itself so learn from it

I have no clue what your talking about in the underlined part at the end. Who told me to keep out of threads, and bringing what up again and again.

i did anddid again in this reply,you go way beond what is neede to be discussed and bring all thig to prove your failing arguments

Sorry I don't mean to insult you here, but you really should proof read or something before you post. Just going to underline what I don't understand.

thats what you do,don't understand and even write a wall of tect on it and go beyond the topic at hand

I do listen, I debate. I don't take others opinions without supporting evidence and accept it as a garenteed situation.

you do not listen and you do not take other opinion,you just push your's down other throat and want them to believe you

PS3 sales have risen because of Move, I listened to your VGChartz numbers are off point, and I replied thats not quite true if you ever see some graphs from Nintendo's Press Conference (which shows PS3 sales jump after the launch of Move). Just because I don't agree, and respond with a counter arguement, doesn't mean I don't listen.

a perfect exmaple you got my point but even the above in this post you went over how they showed increased sales from 15th september,that wasn't necessary

ninty conference reply was enough

but even that doesn't prove my point wrong as ninty didn't show figures just charts

advice: go and compare VGC and shipped number for the last few quarters and youn will get know the truth

and if VGC was correct then why did they get the numbers wrong initially and where did the number come after sony's result for the adjustments

the answer is what ioi said,they didn't track it.just because the shipped number were high they assumed and made adjustments but the difference betwen VGC and Shipped number was already there in last quarters  and so the final answer

PS3 was already selling well

Move came and boosted those number but not to the amount what we have been shown by VGC

I write a wall of text because I don't think you ever understand my reasoning.

wrong,its cause your reasoning is what you want it to be.you always go beyond the topic and not whats at hand and also that you try to prove your optimism with all the support you can get so you try to prove it in all ways which is always wrong

I don't think you understand because you usually don't come back with a counter arguement, usually you just brush off what I have to say and make a new point.

i always do reply to you and do it individually to your different points

i brush off only when you are stuck on the same thing and never change

its like a kid who say he wants a gift,his mom says its expesive and he will get it later andthe kid replies he want it now.its like he didn't understand what his mom told him.(just an example)

this is what you do never take in what others say and post the same thing and try to prove it in different ways

Also a lot of good debaters (like CGI off the top of my head,write long comments too,

again,this is not what you need.you shouldn't always need the support yo prove your point

CGI  gives all types of coments small and big

you are always with a big wall of text,i have noticed since you first came on this forum.its always like that

thats not a bad thing, it just means we have put thought into the subject.

i didn't say its bad but your thoughs go beyond debate and the topic which isn't required

I also write complete sentances, and reply to every point made,I don't pick and choose, so it takes up a lot of space.

do you think i don't reply to all points but my replies are only subjected to the topic.

i reply to every tpic and many times individually to posters like you(nothing bad) but i keep it only to what we are discusing.you just followon and strecth it

3. True, and most PC games sales are probably digital, but some games are not available on Steam or other download services (e.g. Gears of War 1), and they still acheice a 10 to 1 sales ratio console to PC.

However It depends on the game, I can't say all games sell better on consoles, RPG's like Dragon Age do post quite substantial PC sales. Good point you made, but a console exclusive, is still some form of exclusive, and when comparing the 360 to PS3 lineup, console exclusives should still be taken into consideration, and the 360 has a good 2011 lineup. You can't say PS3's lineup is better simply because a third of the 360 exclusives come out on PC.

4. I never said anything about Mass Effect 3, I dunno whats the story on that game.

Mass Effect 2 on PS3 I've read will only be a port of the original game, with an added cinematic explaining what events happened in the original title, the cerberus network add on, and some of the DLC, but not all of it. The reasoning for Mass Effect 2 comming to the PS3 is because EA aquired the rights to the franchise after ME1, and unlike EA has no reason to keep the game exclusive to Microsoft systems.

Also it is a port, it was not originaly designed with PS3 specs in hand, it won't run as well as other timed exclusives (which were timed from the start).

Still good points, I'll admit PC gaming is substantial, but when comparing consoles to one another, a console exclusive is still some form of exclusive, or reason to get one console over the other, and still takes away the arguement that PS3 has had a better lineup recently, or will in the future. Also most 360 exclusives are pure exclusives, only non pure exclusives MS has this year are Fable 3, Conviction, Supreme Commander 2, and Metro 2033. Halo, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Kinect/games, among others are still pure exclusives, and Fable is a timed 360 pure exclusive.

3. True, and most PC games sales are probably digital, but some games are not available on Steam or other download services (e.g. Gears of War 1), and they still acheice a 10 to 1 sales ratio console to PC.

However It depends on the game, I can't say all games sell better on consoles, RPG's like Dragon Age do post quite substantial PC sales. Good point you made, but a console exclusive, is still some form of exclusive, and when comparing the 360 to PS3 lineup, console exclusives should still be taken into consideration, and the 360 has a good 2011 lineup. You can't say PS3's lineup is better simply because a third of the 360 exclusives come out on PC.

4. I never said anything about Mass Effect 3, I dunno whats the story on that game.

Mass Effect 2 on PS3 I've read will only be a port of the original game, with an added cinematic explaining what events happened in the original title, the cerberus network add on, and some of the DLC, but not all of it. The reasoning for Mass Effect 2 comming to the PS3 is because EA aquired the rights to the franchise after ME1, and unlike EA has no reason to keep the game exclusive to Microsoft systems.

Also it is a port, it was not originaly designed with PS3 specs in hand, it won't run as well as other timed exclusives (which were timed from the start).

Still good points, I'll admit PC gaming is substantial, but when comparing consoles to one another, a console exclusive is still some form of exclusive, or reason to get one console over the other, and still takes away the arguement that PS3 has had a better lineup recently, or will in the future. Also most 360 exclusives are pure exclusives, only non pure exclusives MS has this year are Fable 3, Conviction, Supreme Commander 2, and Metro 2033. Halo, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Kinect/games, among others are still pure exclusives, and Fable is a timed 360 pure exclusive.

August-October 2011. IMO (if kinect fails)

Never. IMO (if kinect succes)