"But you haven't played it. How can you have an absolute judgment of it?"

I didn't. Calling the story of the game bad is to only make a judgement of the story. An absolute judgement would be of the game entire, and I clearly didn't do that.

I didn't have to play the game to see the opening was trite, hackneyed, and predictable. I didn't have to play it to see that Jason was acting more like a kid half his age. I don't have to play the game to know that Madison's dream was completely pointless. I don't have to play it to know that making Shelby the killer is just a twist for the sake of it, not something logical to the way he acted in the game. I don't have to play it to know that the witnesses were either lying or idiots to not give the evidence they had to the cops, assuming they even told the cops about what they had.

But again, that's the story, not the gameplay.

Sorry but what I said about Move wasnt talk shit at all....it was only reality: Its sales are disappointing compared to what other new peripherals have done this gen (Wii Fit, Wii Motion Plus).

But if you absolutlety want to talk about Move and double standards, why don't you talk about Sony fans that mocked motion control for the past 4 years and that are now suddenly praising the Move?

Well even if we have differing opinions of the degree, at least we can agree on that in general.

Also, if games are really going to be known for story, we really need to shoot for better ones. Nippon Ichi is one of my personal top storytelling game developers.

@atma

Do you ever stop talking?

Just stop. The only purpose you're serving is to piss people off. I couldn't care less about this topic, but I can recognize the fact you're being a complete jerk.

And CGI and Carl are less biased than you are.

I say he should try writing short stories, so he can get some practice with that. Heck, that applies to a lot of game writers. I don't think vision and ambition is a substitute for talent. I should know. I have stories in my head that I consider ambitious and visionary, but I certainly know I need a lot of practice to even start to pull them off.

What are detractors? :/

And I don't know why you'd think Heavy Rain has a bad story. Especially compared to all other games.

Why do you think I (and so many others) like Heavy Rain? For the gameplay?

1. If you mean the defintion, then there are plenty of dictionary sites, if you don't have a pysical one handy.

2. I've stated at least some reasons why, and I alsy stated that most games have bad stories. This game's story is not good.

EDIT: But no, it's not totally bad. It's still better than the dumb and inane stories of the FMV adventure games that this is based on (and someone at Sony actually said this was unique; what a liar).

3. If you like it for the story, then whatever. But that still doesn't make it good. I might even question how familiar you are with mystery stories, whether it's a TV cop/detective show or the classic mystery novels. Even the most trite and manipulative Law and Order SVU episode is better than this.

I just don't understand your point. What is good about Heavy Rain then in your opinion? Why do you think people loved the game? I'm not the only who liked the story. It was praised for it's story.

You are in the minority if you disliked the story. That is if you've played the game.

And Heavy Rain's plot is much more than a simple mystery story. It involves great characters, emotional events and a dramatic premise.

There's so much more to Heavy Rain than meets the eyes.

As far as I know, it's just the vocal minority that likes the story. The game didn't have sales legs. It sold on the strength of ads that made it look like something else. After that, the sales dropped off. If more gamers liked the story, as it was tied to the game, then it would have sold better, like Modern Warfare or Red Dead Redemption.

And it's not about whether I dislike the story. It's still weak and badly written regardless of what I think. I like the movie Armageddon, but I'm not going to pretent it's a good story or a smart movie.

As for being a mystery, I did not mean it in the whodunnit sense alone. The other aspects in this story are part of those works as well. And the characters are not great. They are cookie cutter, bland, and do things more because the plot says so than anything that fits what little characterization they have.

For emotional events, so what? That doesn't make a good story. That often makes melodrama. Neither does a dramatic premise.

Actually, part of the premise is wrong. The question given to Ethan is closer to "What would you do if I put a gun to the head of someone you loved?" than "How far would you go..." The latter is better realized in movies like Ransom and Taken. Those stories have the fathers doing things of their own choice, which means they are going as far as they need to, not being forced to run a torturous obstacle course.