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Michael-5 on 01 November 2010
Dexorosorous said:
Michael-5 said:

Why would Sony be in court if they didn't lie? If you present the truth in such a way where people are gulable enough to think the console is doing better then it is, how is that Sony's fault? You don't get sued for telling the truth. Here look:

Demand for the PS3 is high, and we have shipped an astounding 3.5 million PS3's making this one of the strongest Q3's ever for the PS3!!!!

or

In preparation for the holiday season, we have managed to ship 3.5 million PS3's in order to stock up retailers.

Both say the same thing, Sony can't be sued for saying one over the other. This is not fraud, you should look up the definition of fraud.

Seriously, why are you haggling me on such a little thing? If my opinion isn't 100% unquestionably Sony's why do people always try to argue with me and change my opinion. I never see people insult me when my Nintendo or MS opinion isn't 100%, but for Sony people seem to love to jump on me. It's good not to take information unquestionably, you should give it a try sometime, most large VGChartz adjustments get re-adjusted slightly sometime down the road, and I'm only saying above DS sales is shocking, and I'd take it with a grain of salt.

As for Move, I think it's a gimmick, same with Kinect, and I can find tons of articles to support my opinion, so don't tell me every single review thinks otherwise. Also I don't think there are any good games for move, why get hardware when there is not good software? Sure VGChartz gave Sports Champions above 8/10, but I've seen multiple reviews for it getting 6/10. Also after that what is there? Time Crisis is gettin 5-6/10 on most websites I look at, Tumble looks cool, but $40 for what looks like a PSN game? This is my opinion, I'm not trying to get you to agree, I just think it's shocking that Move is pushing PS3's almost as well as a Price Cut and Slim redesign...

Anyway I'm not here to argue to quality of Move, I just don't see why Move would push more consoles then a good game (like Halo, God of War, or Super Mario Galaxy 2). Like why is Move pushing more consoles then Wii Fit? I would think most people interested in a PS3/360 would be interested in HD gaming, not HD Wii imitations...

If you're argument is: "Move sucks, why should it give the ps3 a huge boost" then i'm going to have to say that your opinion isn't fact. Point is, Move works and people are buying it, whether or not you like it is your own opinion. These data and adjustments ONLY tells us that the MOVE is a product that WORKS and consumers are noticing it, but its quality is something that is judged by people like you and me. anyway, i'm sure kinect will do better but hey i won't sound so butthurt when we finally get the sales data for it. 

I'm not saying Move sucks, so why is it giving PS3 a huge boost. I'm saying why is a peripheral giving PS3 a huge boost when the peripheral itself is selling in small quantities. Wii Fit far outsold the Move, and it didn't push as many consoles, sure it wasn't console bundled, but still.

Why is Move potentially pushing more consoles then GT5? Why is Move pushing more consoles then MGS4 with the last backward compatible PS3? It's unreal how much Move is selling, no wonder Sony and MS devoted their press conference to Motion gaming.

Guess we all know next gen consoles will incorperate motion gaming in some form.



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Michael-5 on 01 November 2010
Lafiel said:

Michael-5 said:

 Tumble looks cool, but $40 for what looks like a PSN game?

Tumble is a PSN game and it costs $10

Ah it is! Did not know that, thought it was a game I could buy off the shelf. Still IGN gave it a 3.5/10, but I still like it..



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Michael-5 on 01 November 2010
Yuyyder said:

You know, I am sure that because of the TS's reason, Sony probably overshipped PS2 by over 50 million because of Christmas. But still taking that into account, Sony will have sold near to 100 million PS2.

But never mind, now I have found out this interesting fact. Listen. Sony has actually, GASP, been buying back the consoles to inflate the figures. In fact they bought 50 million of their own PS2. Thats how they win the game. Either that or they force a gun down retailers to order PS2 in huge numbers.

With some common sense, humility and for a fact, PS3 has been shipping more than X365 on a yearly basis ever since they launched.

In fact, Microsoft probably inflated the one year head start figure to make it sound like they had a head lead of 5.5 million over PS3. I am sure that figure is more like 550k only.

:0!!! That must be it, 550k 360's sold in the first full year, and then it jumped to 10 million year 2. PS2 and PS3 must also have been bought back in huge quantities!! You nailed it!

However, one interesting thing to note is PS3 shipments in general have been above 360's in the last 3 solid years, but sales have generally been about the same. Where did these PS3's go? This type of data does suggest to me that large warehouses full of PS3's, and I'm not sure about Move bundled PS3's, but my friends at Best Buy and the Canada only Future Shop (Same store/owner, different name to diversify the market), say they have at least 100 extra PS3's just laying in the back, where 360's are in low volumes. Maybe PS3 will have crazy discounts this boxing week to sell some of those excess PS3's.



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NeoRatt on 01 November 2010

This whole conversation is moot...  VGC adjusted the numbers and it seems reasonable...

The OP shows that Sony typically ships more stock in Q3 then 360...  So that explains the discrepency between shipped and sold numbers between 360 and PS3.  When I go to stores, I see lots of PS3's and very few 360 so (to me) that supports the hypothesis that there is more Sony stock in stores then 360.

Life is good and "the real sales period" starts this week and continues through the end of the year...

We can turn off the fanboy banter...  And re-start it in January after vendors announce Q3 results!



Pyramid12 on 01 November 2010
Michael-5 said:
Yuyyder said:

You know, I am sure that because of the TS's reason, Sony probably overshipped PS2 by over 50 million because of Christmas. But still taking that into account, Sony will have sold near to 100 million PS2.

But never mind, now I have found out this interesting fact. Listen. Sony has actually, GASP, been buying back the consoles to inflate the figures. In fact they bought 50 million of their own PS2. Thats how they win the game. Either that or they force a gun down retailers to order PS2 in huge numbers.

With some common sense, humility and for a fact, PS3 has been shipping more than X365 on a yearly basis ever since they launched.

In fact, Microsoft probably inflated the one year head start figure to make it sound like they had a head lead of 5.5 million over PS3. I am sure that figure is more like 550k only.

:0!!! That must be it, 550k 360's sold in the first full year, and then it jumped to 10 million year 2. PS2 and PS3 must also have been bought back in huge quantities!! You nailed it!

However, one interesting thing to note is PS3 shipments in general have been above 360's in the last 3 solid years, but sales have generally been about the same. Where did these PS3's go? This type of data does suggest to me that large warehouses full of PS3's, and I'm not sure about Move bundled PS3's, but my friends at Best Buy and the Canada only Future Shop (Same store/owner, different name to diversify the market), say they have at least 100 extra PS3's just laying in the back, where 360's are in low volumes. Maybe PS3 will have crazy discounts this boxing week to sell some of those excess PS3's.

Ohhh please.....

still going on with this crap??? my friend told me there were 360's colllecting dust in their store while ps3 is selling well.

pfft.

stop with this bullshits and just accept that PS3 has been selling better than we even VGC originally thought it was.



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FPSJohnFKennedy on 01 November 2010
BadF***ingButters said:

Isn't this an orangutang. Though it makes your joke better because I think they are stupider than chimpanzees.

Lol yeah that is an orangutan. Fail on whoever made that picture.



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jarrod on 01 November 2010
D-Joe said:

you guys should sleep now and wake up in around 2011 january 26


I wish I could!  3DS in only a month! :D



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Pyramid12 on 01 November 2010
CGI-Quality said:
FF_Fanatic said:
Michael-5 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Michael-5 said:

To be honest I'm still shocked at this massive sales adjustment, for a couple legitamate reasons.

1. Did Move really push that many consoles? Really? Move? Does that mean Kinect will do the same for 360? Really? Is motion gaming really that atttractive? Really? Seriously? A Wand with a glowing ball on the end and no good supporting games (except RE5).

2. This is a massive sales adjustment, and Sony has seen 3 sales adjustments in the last couple months. I'm sure the PS3 is outselling the 360, but did VGCharts honestly miss 1 million console sales? I understand some data is from smaller, more rural middle east and african regions, but Move has only sold 500 units, it's hard to beleive that it's responsible for a 60-100k weekly sales jump.

So I'm going to give it a couple weeks and wait for Kinect data to come in. If Kinect also posts ridiculous boosts in sales, then sadly, I guess this Move boost is real. If it doesn't, then I would question the reliability of this data.

I mean in January 2010 PS3 was ahead of 360 in EMEAA, then it didn't surpass the 360 in EMEAA for another 4 months, then recently 360 came within 45k of surpassing PS3 in EMEAA, and then now it's all of a sudden over 1 million sales behind?? Something is up, but PS3 probably did have a strong fall.

To be honest, I still don't see the PS3 meeting that 15 million fisical year goal. This data may be smudged by Sony to hold reputation (e.g. 15 million shipped, 12 million sold).

Some of you need to really understand that this isn't nursery school.....SONY can't just "SMUDGE" the data and get away with it.......its just not that simple really, it isn't a game....it would be a major crime to make such big lies about specific console sales to investors.

And lol the data being posted in this thread in form of charts and graphs is actually from the Nintendo press briefing.....the source for Nintendo's data is GFK the most trusted console sales/software tracker in Europe because it covers loads of retail stores in all EU countries....something VGC can't do (and its not VGC's fault either....its so difficult to track the EMEAA region).

Another thing is SONY can't just stuff the channel for 2 quarters in a row......retailers aren't puppets controlled by SONY....THEY WILL NOT take extra/excess PS3 stock 2 QUARTERS in a row....

Sony can overexagerate truths. For example, Sony may have shipped 3.5 million units early for the holiday rush, where MS and Nintendo may plan to ship their holiday consoles in October. Then a 3.5 versus 2.8 million consoles shipped makes the PS3 look amazing, when in reality MS and Nintendo are just one big shipment away.

Also one of these adjustments goes back 2 years to account for more difficult to track EMEAA regions. Where did this data come from? Nintendo has made several press breifings showing financial sales using GFK in the last 2 years, why did this data all of a sudden come in now? I'm sure this data was sourced outside the Nintendo breifing.

I'm not saying the data is wrong, I just wouldn't be surprised if it were re-adjusted by 10% or 15%.

And shipping 15 million units when their goal to sell 15 million (not ship) is a legitamate way to smudge data. They did technically sell 15 million consoles to retailers, so it's not lying..

My reasoning for being shocked is that a peripheral (a wand with a glowing ball, and in a couple weeks a 3D camera) boosted console sales as much as a console redesign? Really? Scares me what gaming will eventually become if this is whats selling well...


if that is true expect Sony to be in court real soon, you can't even over exaggerate your figures it's considered as fraud!!

the fact is you are too stuck on the fact that move is doing so well, and from reading your previous posts you think it's a wiimote with a glowing ball, you do realise that every single review does not agree with you, not to mention move is way more precise than wiimote and it has extra abilities than just true 1:1 3d control, move does what wiimote was meant to do and that is why people are loving it so much!!

You aren't going to change much here bud. I wouldn't bother.

OT: Are people really thinking the numbers will be "re-adjusted"? Are people really having a hard time believing Move is doing good? Do those same people realize that Sony CANNOT lie about their numbers?


apparenltly ppl are still in denial after 3 days.....

look @ micheal post above that I bolded, JUST WOW.........



XanderZane on 01 November 2010
Pyramid12 said:

Still devastated over the adjustments ehh? still crying "overshipp" when last quarter it was the  same excuse you guys were implying too.

where are those overstock ps3 is going then? why are the retailers keep buging ps3's then?

The data it self came from nintendo GFK chart showing ps3 outselling 360 in EU alone(not including the rest of EMEAA).

Seriously the only sour grapes fans around here are you 360 fanatics with your "sony iz lying" excuses every quarter report comes in.

keep living in 360 lalaland where 360 always wins.

 

I think the adjustment is BS on here and here alone. Still waiting for a proper Xbox 360 and Wii adjustment. If the PS3 numbers were wrong so were the XBox 360 and Wii's. Then VGChartz wonders why sites with REAL source don't take them seriously. Guestimation won't take you far.



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