What do you think guys should we should just give this to him...I kind of feel bad hat people are coming up with reasons like this as to why Sony shipped so many PS3's, is it that hard to believe that people just want a PS3?
| SOLIDSNAKE08 said: what is wrong with you 360 fans? the numbers aint gonna change so get used to it. |
Not all 360 fans are saying they over shipped.
The numbers always change thats why we come here every week!
Whats with all the running of the mouth of some ps3 fans? Seems to me that ps3 and xbox 360 are tide in a lock hold. kinect will put numbers higher and then a price cut for ps3 will push some more units, then 360.
When Ps3 takes the lead then you get to run your mouth like you are the second place winner because then you will be. yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
NO, ps3 is not going to over take the wii.
CGI-Quality said:
You don't keep up with your contradictions. You said Sony can "exaggerate truths". Do you realize when it comes to these numbers, giving any kind of false info is considered fraud (which would imply some form of dishonesty)? In doing so, you're then denying it's about numbers. How can that be, when the subject is about shipped numbers in the first place? You're now trying to change it up by saying "it's a possibility that they shipped early, to make the PS3 look like it's doing amazing", which also sounds ludicrous. There's no "grain of salt" about it. They can't be dishonest at all on their numbers. You're just having a hard time accepting that these ARE the numbers. Move played the largest role, you have to just deal with it. I'm not sure why you won't accept the numbers, but you're doing more harm to your credibility than I have done by ignoring the facts presented to you. |
I never said Sony presented false info, nor do I claim the number Sony present are incorrect in any way. I do not make contradictions, your just having trouble understanding the point I made. This is not fraud, when no lying was done, what are you having trouble comprehending?
I'm not changing anything, I was just clarifying my previous point, the one your having trouble understanding.
Do do accept the numbers, why are you trying to twist what I say into something else? Nothing Sony said I deny, I'm just saying the way VGChartz has represented the data, my require re-adjustments in the future to correspond more accuratly to real world figures (maybe not), and like every large adjustment in data on VGCharts, these should be taken with a grain of salt. Meaning, like Halo Reach week 1 console boost (altered by 12k a few weeks later), this data may be slightly re-adjusted.
What are you having trouble understanding? Or did you still prove me wrong in some regard? Common, you had like 3 comments saying I was wrong, how was I wrong? Don't tell me your changing your opinion because your finally listening to me.
It's rude when you barge into a thread, insult me by telling others to ignore me, repeatedly tell me, and others that what I'm saying is wrong, and essentially painting me to be some die hard 360 fan who is completly oblivious to the truth.
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Torillian said:
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Well the simple reason is that African countries (part of EMEA) have become rich and prosperous (epecially The Kingdom of Morocco) and people there are buying PS3 like no tomorrow.
There is also people in EU getting second consoles for offline play since the PS3 has been hacked.
| Attoyou said:
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Actually, that looks more like an orangutan.
The BuShA owns all!
When I see how the local shops around I checked (south-western Germany) are sold out of any Move variant and the owners say they will not get any more Moves for at least 2-3 weeks,
when I see how amazon.de has been out of Move stuff since weeks (and amazon.co.uk is as well at least right now) - only expensive third-party sellers still have some -
then I find it really hard to believe that Sony is overshipping dramatically and just doing the Christmas shippings earlier to sort of fake good numbers. This is no assumption this is the fact in stores.
Sorry, but "overshipping" to increase numbers and "artificial shortage" to stimulate demand just don't fit together.
P.S.: even if you're a 360 fan this should not make you sad. Be happy about the high Move numbers because the Kinect numbers will likely be way higher, at least initially.
CGI-Quality said:
By saying: "re-adjustments will probably be on the way, take the numbers with a grain of salt" , you're saying you question the numbers. Period. How are you so positive the numbers aren't accurate (since you claim those "re-adjustments" may need to be made to mirror actual figures)? What that tells people - you're having trouble accepting the numbers. No need to go back over that though, you won't admit to it anyway. But your posts already tell the story. By saying: "Sony can exaggerate truths", you're implying they aren't being completely honest. Why else would you say it here, if it wasn't meant for this topic? It's an implication of a fallacy, or better put, a fabrication. That's called fraud when reporting numbers. And lastly, you really need to stop creating something in your mind. I told nobody to ignore you, didn't insult you, and understand everything here. Whenever it comes to accepting being wrong, you behave stubbornly. Nothing wrong with being incorrect here (there's plenty to learn, and nobody's perfect). |
Look if I'm offending you, I apoligize, but don't twist my words, and next time you come into a thread, read my posts before you start critisizing them. Now that you critisized me, and later realized you had nothing to critisize me about, I'm sure you feel silly.
Re: re-adjustments: I think VGChartz numbers are slighly off, not Sony. I do beleive Sony is still outselling the 360 and Wii, just not sure about the DS. Small re-adjustments are usually made on large scale changes on VGCharts. E.G. Halo Reach console boosts were scaled down 12k with this adjustment. I think the same is very possible for the Move.
Re: Exagerate Truths: Just read everything I typed thoroughly. I don't think I can explain myself any better. In no way, shape, or form, do I claim Sony falsified their results.
Ah man, did your parents teach you to be this rude? Your last paragraph contradicts everything you posted before.
P.S. Where am I wrong? Please tell me so I know and learn!!! Your going to go on in future treads telling me that "you proved me wrong", but you never actually do! Right now your just having trouble understanding my points, and you don't want to let me off because by doing so it means that you yourself were wrongfully critisizing me. Your telling me I'm stubborn, and won't admit I'm wrong, but from what I read your the stubborn one. I'm not sure if your purposly mis-understanding me now, so you avoid an apology, or if your actually having trouble keeping up with my side of the debate.
I'll admit to being wrong the day you actually prove that I'm wrong. Tumble was clearly an example of my admitting being incorrect about information, and I did it right infront of you.
Anyway, my vote is to stop arguing, I know how much it means to you comming off a victor in a debate, but your just never going to get there with me here (at least in this thread, maybe in the future). So :P
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Vertigo-X said:
Actually, that looks more like an orangutan. |
Aren't Orangutan's Orange? Pretty sure that's a chimpanzee, almost as sure as I mis-spelled orangutan.
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| durbacher said: When I see how the local shops around I checked (south-western Germany) are sold out of any Move variant and the owners say they will not get any more Moves for at least 2-3 weeks, when I see how amazon.de has been out of Move stuff since weeks (and amazon.co.uk is as well at least right now) - only expensive third-party sellers still have some - then I find it really hard to believe that Sony is overshipping dramatically and just doing the Christmas shippings earlier to sort of fake good numbers. This is no assumption this is the fact in stores.
Sorry, but "overshipping" to increase numbers and "artificial shortage" to stimulate demand just don't fit together.
P.S.: even if you're a 360 fan this should not make you sad. Be happy about the high Move numbers because the Kinect numbers will likely be way higher, at least initially. |
I do not seem to be having any troubles getting a Move PS3 on Amazon.com, Ebay, or in my local EBGames/Best Buy. First I hear of this "artifical shortage." Maybe in some regions Move bundles are selling out? Unusual since only half of shipped Moves have been sold in Americas at least (according to VGChartz). How can there really be massive surplus in some regions, but shortages in orthers? That seems like poor distribution to me. Where did you heard about these shortages?
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