Can someone explain me this. If gap between ps3  and x360 is so small why games are selling better on x360 in spite of piracy.

Clearly, retailers keep buying more and more PS3s just to hide them in the store room...it couldn't be more obvious.

They will definately NOT sell. Why? becuz logic sux.

What about this: Someone just asks ioi for an explanation and whether the PS3 was undertracked or not.

Either Sony just stuffed the channel because there was a new SKU released last quarter (you need more stock when people can either buy a Move bundle or a hardware-only bundle) or vgchartz undertracked it.

There's no need to make a huge deal about it, really. You guys are fighting like crazy. It's quite possible that Sony stuffed the channel with the Move bundle and to reach their shipment targets and it's also quite possible that vgchartz undertracked the sales.

But neither screaming "overshipped!" without an end nor making comments that sound like vgchartz is intentionally undertracking the sales will help in any way.

So why don't you just calm down and ask ioi? And then accept whatever he says.

Something in the numbers doesn't make sense.

Wii and X360 have shipments for Q2 at level of their sales which means retailers haven't made any additional supplies for Christmas, the only way PS3 number makes sense is if we assume sellers were stocking for Christmas but if they did so only for ps3 then it'd imply they were having low stock of PS3 which doesn't make sense if we compare lifetime sales of PS3 to lifetime PS3 shipment compared to Wii and X360 which had much lower stocks.

So either PS3 is undertracked or X360 and Wii are overtracked in others or a combination of those factors. Which makes sense if VGC aproximates sales in areas almost impossible to track based on sales in western europe.

Well first off, Sony cant just stuff the channels store have to order consoles before Sony can ship them off. Secondly, I wouldn't just accept his answer because believe it or not he's not always right. Unlike Sony's numbers that are accurate and have to be by law.

I think VGChartz just doesn't have a good handle on the emerging markets. There is no NPD/charttrack type companies tracking places like eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America. All places where the Sony brand is quite strong. Not only are numbers out on PS3 but they are 9 million out on ps2 shipped to sold too.

No matter how many times ioi adjusts the PS3 sales up, for most of the users here it will always be undertracked ...

Ok I'll give it another try: It is possible Sony stuffed the channels because of the new SKU with the Move bundle. Yes they can stuff the channels to some degree. I never said they did, though. That would surely be many units on shelves. I just said you should accept whatever ioi says because, frankly, this is his website and he's going to present you whatever numbers he tracked. You will have to accept his explanation because there is nothing you can do about it.

And that "believe it or not he's not always right" part was just rude and totally uncalled for. That statement was aimed at both sides of the people arguing here.

God damn why are you guys getting so crazy over something like this? There's no need to attack each other. If the PS3 is undertracked I'm sure the numbers will be updated. But arguing in this thread isn't going to stop it or make it happen.

I cannot BELIEVE how many people are saying

"SONY STUFFED THE CHANNEL"

Yeah well the same thing was said last shipment time......so many people said when the last shipment was revealed that "SONY must have STUFFED the channelz"!

So if SONY "STUFFED" during last quarter do you think retailers are stupid enough to let them "STUFF THE CHANNELS" this quarter too.....HELL NO. Retailers won't let SONY stuff channels 2 quarters in a row.

Retailers would be more "cautious" of the PS3 this quarter if they felt SONY had stuffed last quarter

So what is it.....do we now accept SONY didn't stuff channels last quarter? Giving retailers the confidence to let SONY stuff channels this quarter?

This isn't a nursery school....retailers don't have a sudden urge to order in 2.7 Million more PS3's than they could possibly sell......puh-lease.

If they do stuff the channel, the quarter to quarter shipments would show it.  Eventually, there will be compensation.  If the channel is stuffed in one quarter, there will be less in the next quarter.  If shipments come in at 7 million for Q3 (my prediction), then the retailer demand probably is the consumer demand.

What people are getting frustrated about is that the claims of overshipment and stuffing the channel are not being backed up by the ones that are claiming that.  If anything, retailers would probably be more cautious on how much PS products are being bought due to its performance this generation.