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bmmb1 said:
Beuli2 said:

And I'm still wating my super awesome dungeon crawler game for the Wii. Zelda might do it, but I don't have many hopes. Where is the effort on this?

Haven't played it myself (too many games, no time ), but did you try Shiren the Wanderer?


Also the Final Fantasy Chocobo Dungeon is pretty good I hear. Also, if you count the VC, there are plenty of them. I'm playing Shining in the Darkness right now.



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mike_intellivision said:

EA is reporting limited income from Wii and almost none from DS. It went from trying things that sometimes worked to falling back on its tried-and-true sports approach, which won't work.

Also, another to add to the finance list is Take 2. After all, Carnival Games helped it remain alive until Rockstar's GTA IV was ready to go.

Mike from Morgantown

I totally forgot about Take Two.



bmmb1 said:

Haven't played it myself (too many games, no time ), but did you try Shiren the Wanderer?

I played it, it's a decent game but nothing out of this world. I think Chocobo's Dungeon is better (and easier).



Rpruett said:
mike_intellivision said:
oniyide said:

@metallicube  while I agree that if you dont like whatever you should get rid of it, by why take it so personally??? its just games, some people think Wii sucks thats there opinion, you might think PS3 sucks and has "no games" but im not gonna fly off the handle, or "RROD" I havent seen alot xbox fans fly off the handle for that. You can bring up software sales all you want that doesnt account for everyone's taste and what they play and if you take into account there are more top selling HD games than their are Wii ones I think they might even themselves out.

I imagine the difference is because the people who say it about the Wii are usually in the industry and basically expressing "sour grapes" because they cannot figure out how to "crack the code" and "break the bank" on the Wii.

So instead of making a general statement like, "We prefer to go in a different direction because it is a better fit with our strengths and talents," these developers have to add in a dig at the console because they don't understand its popularity or how to program for it.

 

Mike from Morgantown

I don't think it is this at all.  Nintendo has a problem with third party software.  Period.   The Wii, The Gamecube, The n64.  This isn't a new trend.  This isn't all on the publishers.  There is a good amount of burden to blame on Nintendo.  Nintendo consoles end up being limited to the 'Nintendo only' games usually (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, DK,etc). Whether they don't provide enough help to third parties, or help in someway.  Or they don't provide them with the best tools / support.   Nintendo needs to bare some of that burden.

People's gripes may be very much validated.  Wii might have a good portion of it's ownership who think it's the best thing in the world and Mom / Dad / Grandma / Grandpa / Brothers / Sisters / etc all play.  Their play time or the combined play time may very well amount to a lot of made up play time.    The Wii might also have a good portion of it's owners who think it's the absolute biggest waste of a console on the planet and essentially haven't touched it since 2007. 

The touchy-ness of this issue with members of the Nintendo fanbase absolutely astounds me though.  So what if people say their Wii collects dust?  People said the PS3 has no gamez for a long time.  People made fun of RROD forever. 

On cue the usual defenders flare up and get up in arms and start listing numbers and charts and a whole host of other things trying to disprove this. Even going as far as to claim it's a "myth".  The sentiment (That is heard so often) obviously isn't a myth.  There obviously is a semi-large sect out there that is genuinely disappointed with their Wii for a myriad of reasons.  

No one knows the precise play-time numbers.  No one knows the exact details.   None of this exists in an isolated environment.   If the 360/PS3 were $300 would this generation play out differently or the same?  Who knows?  The one certainty we know out of this is  that some developers and gamers alike feel like the Wii's time to shine has passed.  They may be right?  They may be wrong.   It doesn't matter as the experience is very much a person to person type of experience. 

Personally,  I feel the Wii is very comparable to the Gamecube (Maybe a bit worse) in a lot of ways.  That's just how I feel.  I recently  sold it because I don't enjoy it and haven't in many years. That won't be the case for everybody, however.

I think my point here was not fully understood. My contention was the reason for the outrage was not that an individual was stating their Wii was collecting dust (each console has its own fans and detractors). But rather it seems that these types of comments get made all too often about the Wii by developers, the ones who should be making games for the system, figuring out how to make it work better.

As for Nintendo and third-parties ... it has traditionally had bad relations in that area. But it tried very hard to get people "on board" with the Wii and the DS. There were stories in the press about Nintendo working with/meeting with third-parties before the Wii. Of course, sometimes traditions and rule-adherence can make the company its own worst enemy. But this is NOT the Nintendo that stuck to carts with the N64 or stuck it to the third-parties in the NES/SNES generations.

 

Mike from Morgantown



      


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@beuil2  Ive never seen a Barbie or Imaginz game on either HD console and be honest how much of these kid games exist on the HDs. very freaking few. How much on the Wii??? A whole lot. So my original point stands, now depending on who you are thats either very good or bad. I have a PS3 and Wii, so it really dont bother me either way, but the fact is there are alot more Kid oriented games on Wii than there are on the HDs this is a fact



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LordTheNightKnight said:
bmmb1 said:
Beuli2 said:

And I'm still wating my super awesome dungeon crawler game for the Wii. Zelda might do it, but I don't have many hopes. Where is the effort on this?

Haven't played it myself (too many games, no time ), but did you try Shiren the Wanderer?


Also the Final Fantasy Chocobo Dungeon is pretty good I hear. Also, if you count the VC, there are plenty of them. I'm playing Shining in the Darkness right now.

I'm talking about one with super special awesome Motion plus in it.



Above: still the best game of the year.

Beuli2 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
bmmb1 said:
Beuli2 said:

And I'm still wating my super awesome dungeon crawler game for the Wii. Zelda might do it, but I don't have many hopes. Where is the effort on this?

Haven't played it myself (too many games, no time ), but did you try Shiren the Wanderer?


Also the Final Fantasy Chocobo Dungeon is pretty good I hear. Also, if you count the VC, there are plenty of them. I'm playing Shining in the Darkness right now.

I'm talking about one with super special awesome Motion plus in it.


Well a lot of games with that need to be made.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

oniyide said:

@beuil2  Ive never seen a Barbie or Imaginz game on either HD console and be honest how much of these kid games exist on the HDs. very freaking few. How much on the Wii??? A whole lot. So my original point stands, now depending on who you are thats either very good or bad. I have a PS3 and Wii, so it really dont bother me either way, but the fact is there are alot more Kid oriented games on Wii than there are on the HDs this is a fact

That's more down to the Wii being the market leader than anything else. After all, the PS2 got the equivalents to those games last gen whereas the GC didn't, yet many people will argue that Nintendo's current image is similar to how it was last gen.

The difference is the PS2 got a whole heap of quality third party support as with every previous market leader. The Wii hasn't had that to provide balance, and as I've just shown, it can't entirely be down to Nintendo's perceived image, otherwise the GC would have been awash with such low quality titles as well.



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milkyjoe said:
oniyide said:

@beuil2  Ive never seen a Barbie or Imaginz game on either HD console and be honest how much of these kid games exist on the HDs. very freaking few. How much on the Wii??? A whole lot. So my original point stands, now depending on who you are thats either very good or bad. I have a PS3 and Wii, so it really dont bother me either way, but the fact is there are alot more Kid oriented games on Wii than there are on the HDs this is a fact

That's more down to the Wii being the market leader than anything else. After all, the PS2 got the equivalents to those games last gen whereas the GC didn't, yet many people will argue that Nintendo's current image is similar to how it was last gen.

The difference is the PS2 got a whole heap of quality third party support as with every previous market leader. The Wii hasn't had that to provide balance, and as I've just shown, it can't entirely be down to Nintendo's perceived image, otherwise the GC would have been awash with such low quality titles as well.


That's what I've been insisting as well.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

The Wii has attracted a rather large amount of non-gamers, and they definitely do not play as much as a regular gamer, which is what the PS3 and 360 attract more of.

So I don't think it's exactly irrational to say the Wii is played less or more people have their systems "collecting dust."



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