It's a slippery slope, people. Online pass is merely the first step towards not being able to resell the software at all, to EULA's getting more aggressive on the part of publishers.
It's fundamentally anti-consumer, and if you're not a publisher, you have to be opposed to this.
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You do know that the alternative would be 100$ games... we wanted more, we demanded more, so it's not strange for publisher to find ways to get more money back from their investments..
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In my opinion what you said is complete utter rubbish.
I stand by the publishers and if someone purchases a game that is crap it is the own daft fault. If i purchase some underwear go home and try them on then decide i dont like them its a bit of tough shit.
You dont see PC gamers moaning that they have to purchase the games brand new. I really dont see the problem with this. It is not fare that a game can only sell like 1,000,000 copies but yet the game has been purchased by like 4,000,000 people and the dev didnt see a penny of it.
And activation fee to play online ontop of purchasing the game used is a good idea. The devs get some money back from it. Anyway and it will be better for people who dont play online anyway because they will be able to purchase the game even cheaper
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1.) Used games will now be cheaper: For those of you who buy games that are primarily multiplayer, but only want to play the campaign, you may be able to get the game for $5 cheaper for example
2.) If there is a $5 fee, and the difference in game price is $5 cheaper that you can sell it for, on Amazon, you would actually only be making 85% of $5 less with their fees. Not to mention, I think you are wrong in that games will directly be cheaper. I think they may have about a 50% drop in price versus game pass price. Regardless, it is irrelevent, as somebody else said, gaming is a luxury, you don't have to spend money on it.
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Calmador said:
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What was paid for by the new game buyer was a one use code to access online in addition to the game, how is it wroung for someone else who wants to play the same game online to have to buy the one use code again. Just imagine the code as a free gift fot the new game buyer. Hopefully this will stop Gamestops 55 for used if there is a 10 online code fee for games. I would prefer to pay 45 to them and 10 to the developers who actually deserve the money. Why are you so against letting the developers have there cut when it will likely cost you nothing to very little as these used games will have a lower resell value anyway.
Oh and just to add on
Not all games that get sold back to the shop is because they didnt like it. More the point that some of them want another game thats newer so trade in a few of the old games. My brother used to do it all the time back in the days of the 10 pounds pocket money lol
I never purchase games 2nd hand. With that been said though i can never resist a 4 pound bargain ;)
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Seece said:
Rubbish. Unless you're a collector like me, then there is really NO reason to keep a single player experience game like Bioshock, and that deserves all the sales it can get. Just face facts, gaming is a luxury. You have no right to moan about not being able to afford top whack ..... |
You're implying that usually, single player games are not worth keeping wich isn't true at all. I can think of lots of single player games that are woth keeping because of either content or design, like Lylatwars or Oblivion.
Usually, Single player games that are not worth keeping are not worth keeping precisely becasue they didn't offer enough entertainement, and that's the developer's fault.
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| mchaza said: Yep and if everyone was like you you will see less and less inotive games and will be tuck with the same old games that will start getting big numbers on the end. because Used games ups the risks and developers and publishers dont want that risk
lets say they need 1 million copies of the game to break even 250,000 people buy the game new: the devoloper gets the money but needs another 750,000 new copies sold to break even or else they go bust and close down and wont be heard of again or will stop making that game. out of those 250,000 sales majority are sold back used, new gamers buy the used games instead of new since its cheaper, they then re sell the game and its re bought again in an endless cycle. in the end only 250,000 are sold. but 1 million gamers have played the game. if there was no used games then the developer would make an another game for.
another issue with Used games is that the difference between an used game and an new one is absolutely zero, while if you buy an used car they have an higher chance of breaking down, may be wore out. but an game can last years and years and still be in prefect condition and offer the same as the new product. Used games are crippling the industry. If there was no used game sales, the sales of games would be much higher, more innovative games would be released and much bigger and bolder games would hit the stores with publishers investing more money due to the risk and with that the gamer Wins all the time. So here is something for you: would you pay less and see the industry and your favourite past time crumble or pay the little bit more and help the industry grow and produce you more and more games. |
Another future scenario would be the industry ceasing to fool around and actually begin to make more games worth keeping.
Used games have never crippled the industry, it's the industry that is crippling itself.
The numbers in your description are severely off. In your scenario, the game sold well initially, then the people who bought it became borde with it and sold it, then the ones who bought it used sold it, and then the used used buyers sold it again. Must have been a terrible game.
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Used games are killing the industry. I support the online passes.
Hell I'd even go as far as a registration code for games that you only get if you buy a new copy (you can't buy the code at all) rendering used games completely useless even for single player.
| .jayderyu said: Movie Makers spend MILLIONS of dollars on developing a movie for you entertainment. This is there effort, their work, their man hours. So many movies get a lot of shit including movie like Avatar. Where a director, artist, actor, writer, QA, sound.... who spend thousands of hours to work on the movie. This is their work. It's developers money to have these games made. Then there are those people who stand over a game and shit on it because it's not good enough. Then theres people who in a way WORSE get the movie and don't give a cent to the people who made it. Why the hell should one qaulity of movie be more important than another? do you really think that these people who spend hours of work on a movie should not get paid? you want these people to go out of business? When you don't buy a movie it's no different than pirates. I've bought used movies. I know I will continue to buy used movies, but if developers want to give an incentive to buy new. Then hell yes. These developers should get their money even if it's a low "qaulity" movie. This PRO used game market stance is just selfish. You as a consumer are 1/3 part of the industry. When you buy used and are pro used, you are damaging another 1/3 while giving extra to the other 1/3. Heres my suggestion instead. Advocate good online passes by buying them new. Then convince people to NOT buy the ones abused. You know the ones where the DLC is no more than a bit switch in the save game file to activate new colours. I'm looking at you CAPCOM.
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Just to show how ridiculous that sounded.
I especially disagree with this part "You as a consumer are 1/3 part of the industry. When you buy used and are pro used, you are damaging another 1/3 while giving extra to the other 1/3. "
Customers are 100% of the industry. If there was no market, there would be no industry. Customers should not serve the industry, it's the other way around, the industry should ALWAYS do what its customers want.
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