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Seece said:
Hapimeses said:
Seece said:

It's pretty clear cut to me, but then I knew certain people would be pissed due to those high scores not bolstering the line up.

The list is for games that are built from the ground up with the motion controller set up (or eyetoy). It's not difficult to get. I've already said these lists arnt based on overall SW for the controllers or quality of library, I just want to track how the content being specifically made for these controller schemes pans out, there is no need for your incesent whining and condescending tone, and as you may have noticed, I have no idea what most of those move games are, so if you want me to remove the ones you don't think fit in the same vein as heavy rain, then I suggest you stop telling me too without actually naming them. thanks.

Right, so you're turning to passively insulting me. Thanks. No, really, very kind of you.

All I asked were some questions because I didn't understand your choices -- and I still don't; they still seem arbitrary and without any significant point -- and I provided some links to games I thought may help. Then, when you explained yourself, I suggested two games be removed from your list (one of which there is a decent counter point to, as listed above). However, you seem to have taken offense to this and turned on me. In particular, this shows you're not even reading what I'm writing to you:

'then I suggest you stop telling me too without actually naming them'

Did you read my post you replied to? I did name them. Both of them, in fact. Don't start making accusations and demands without reading the posts you are referring to first.

Really, chill. Take a deep breath. I have no agenda here. I actually came here to give a hand where I could, and I've had my head bitten off by an oversensitive poster.

In short: I'd rather you didn't project your fears upon me. I'm neither pissed nor concerned about high scores or low scores or whatever else is bothering you. All I was chatting about was what I saw as an odd distinction that you seemed to create all by yourself to make a point I did not understand.

I shouldn't have bothered asking. You clearly have an agenda here, and anything that goes against it, even when it is not aimed as such, will be shouted down.

I'm perfectly calm and explained myself pretty well the first time, I could have done without your opinion on whether you thought it was a good idea or not, and yes, you come across as condescending if I'm honest. Neither did I bite your head off, you're going a bit OTT.

I have no agender, nor do I need to "shout you down", I explained myself which is more than I had to do, if you don't like it then I'm afraid you'll have to lump it!

If I came across as condescending to you, then I apologise: it wasn't my intent.

However, I didn't give an 'opinion on whether I thought it was a good idea or not', regardless of what you protest. This is the second time you've misrepresented me. Again, I question if you even read my posts. I merely asked why you did it as you did, and whether you thought two lists for PS3 games would be worthwhile to present a full picture.

With that taken into account, I find myself unable to accept your 'no agender' comment in light of your combatative answers and inability to read what I'm writing. You clearly are reading things into my posts that aren't there.

So, with that in mind, I'm bowing out.



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Seece said:

It has nothing to do with my bias, if Fable 3 still had Kinect support I wouldn't have added that either. Don't come up with your conspiracy theorys to settle your point. You expect this list to be an overall list of games that support Move and Kinect, it isn't, I already explained that and why I've made it this way.


conspiracy theories? lol i dont think i know what youre talking about, but anyways, to further make my point:

38 of the announced 54 titles that will support move will also support DS3 support, while only 4 of the 42 kinect games games announced will support another input method.

move is gonna end up with a pretty small list compared to kinect if youre going in"terms of sole motion controls", though move will support more games, the comparison makes no sense



cory.ok said:
Seece said:

It has nothing to do with my bias, if Fable 3 still had Kinect support I wouldn't have added that either. Don't come up with your conspiracy theorys to settle your point. You expect this list to be an overall list of games that support Move and Kinect, it isn't, I already explained that and why I've made it this way.


conspiracy theories? lol i dont think i know what youre talking about, but anyways, to further make my point:

38 of the announced 54 titles that will support move will also support DS3 support, while only 4 of the 42 kinect games games announced will support another input method.

move is gonna end up with a pretty small list compared to kinect if youre going in"terms of sole motion controls", though move will support more games, the comparison makes no sense

I think you could very easily turn that around though and say why it's the only fair comparison that you can make.  Here's why; if you look at the DS3 and Xbox controller supported games you run into the trouble of guessing how much of the review score is based upon the motion controls aspect or the traditional controller mechanics, which is fundamental to the gameplay.  For instance, using Resident Evil 5 as an example - none of the separated reviews that count towards the amalgamated metacritic total ever considered the move controls, some would say a comparison using that game makes no sense. 



Fumanchu said:
cory.ok said:
Seece said:

It has nothing to do with my bias, if Fable 3 still had Kinect support I wouldn't have added that either. Don't come up with your conspiracy theorys to settle your point. You expect this list to be an overall list of games that support Move and Kinect, it isn't, I already explained that and why I've made it this way.


conspiracy theories? lol i dont think i know what youre talking about, but anyways, to further make my point:

38 of the announced 54 titles that will support move will also support DS3 support, while only 4 of the 42 kinect games games announced will support another input method.

move is gonna end up with a pretty small list compared to kinect if youre going in"terms of sole motion controls", though move will support more games, the comparison makes no sense

I think you could very easily turn that around though and say why it's the only fair comparison that you can make.  Here's why; if you look at the DS3 and Xbox controller supported games you run into the trouble of guessing how much of the review score is based upon the motion controls aspect or the traditional controller mechanics, which is fundamental to the gameplay.  For instance, using Resident Evil 5 as an example - none of the separated reviews that count towards the amalgamated metacritic total ever considered the move controls, some would say a comparison using that game makes no sense. 


you make a good point that most of the reviews wont completely based on move, like most of kinects will be.  it will also mean that pretty much all of the high budget games (which would most likely get the higher scores) wont be able to be viewed here because the high budget games will want to maximize the amount of people able to play their games, leading to DS3 support.

it seems hard to compare the controllers (or lack thereof) in any sense when one side has specifically made their controller easily implementable while the other didnt seem to care about the ability to add regular controller support to their games.

the strategies that the companies are taking are completely opposite.  move only needs continued support for the ps3 and it can probably continue selling just fine because games can add move support with minor cost to the developers.  kinect needs people to adopt kinect as almost a completely new gaming console, it most likely wont receive support from bestselling multiplatform games like modern warfare, red dead redemption, and final fantasy 13 because the development costs for this would be pretty big and/or unrealizable.  move will probably get support from some of these games, not because kinect is horrible, but because move is more accessible and implementable.  move being able to do this is one of moves strengths, not a weakness, and it shouldnt be played off as such.



I thought there were 15 launch games for KINECT?  or are you only doing exclusives?



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Yeah, I agree with most of that.  Though I disagree that core games with move support thrown in as an after-thought and that give players a distinct disadvantage in competitive online multiplayer modes will cause a big uptake of Move.  In my view it will most likely be the games that are compared in this thread that will bring about the majority of either controllers userbase.



Seece said:

It has nothing to do with my bias, if Fable 3 still had Kinect support I wouldn't have added that either. Don't come up with your conspiracy theorys to settle your point. You expect this list to be an overall list of games that support Move and Kinect, it isn't, I already explained that and why I've made it this way.

Don't even argue with him, it's your thread and you've already listed the rules to what does and doesn't apply and those rules are fair. 

You forgot Ape Escape: Fury! Fury!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape_Escape_Fury!_Fury!

Audiotorium

http://www.movemodo.com/news/2010/10/auditorium_coming_to_playstation_network_with_moving_results

Beat Sketch

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/game.php?id=47389



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

So because certain games utilize the Move but weren't built from the ground up for Move were're just gonna ignore them?  What's the point of this thread if your not going to include ALL games that utlilize either Kinect or Move.  RE5 Move edition is a Move game so why is it not up there? HR Move Edition is a Move game so why isn't it up there? I look at this list and all I see is an incomplete list. Not to mention Heavy Rain RE5 are two key games as well as they show how much more superior the control style is for us real gamers. Or maybe I'm just taking this way to seriously.

Edit - Sorry if I sounded harsh but there is now another thread for this. So why don't we use this thread for the 'Motion Only' games and the other one for 'Utilization of Motion' games. I agree with Seece that when a game shares normal controls and motion control you don't really know with which the reviewer is referring to. But at the same time whether you're playing with motion control or normal control it's still the same game and the only thing that's changed is the play style. Here's the perfect analogy: How many times has the 360 version of a multi-plat game gotten better reviews only due to the fect that the controller is better? Never.



Doobie_wop said:
Seece said:

It has nothing to do with my bias, if Fable 3 still had Kinect support I wouldn't have added that either. Don't come up with your conspiracy theorys to settle your point. You expect this list to be an overall list of games that support Move and Kinect, it isn't, I already explained that and why I've made it this way.

Don't even argue with him, it's your thread and you've already listed the rules to what does and doesn't apply and those rules are fair. 

You forgot Ape Escape: Fury! Fury!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape_Escape_Fury!_Fury!

Audiotorium

http://www.movemodo.com/news/2010/10/auditorium_coming_to_playstation_network_with_moving_results

Beat Sketch

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/game.php?id=47389

ape escape isnt confirmed to be move only, audiotorium is confirmed for DS3, neither has a place on the list

btw i wasnt arguing, i call it constructive criticism, or perhaps, a discussion :)



Stick to your gun Seece only game that require motion hardware to play. This kinda allow the Eyepet game but would rule out all other games that can be played without motion hardware.

 

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