Some are getting way too worked up over this...either way Kinect AND Move will be a success, which is good...as long as I get my dose of games to statisfy MY gaming needs I couldn't care less, now if THAT is affected by this I'll be pissed..fingers crossed that won't happen

and also for the usual omgzerz no SW numbers to back the numbers up theory......many seem to be buying move for games they already have...RUSE, Heavy Rain, MAG, Resident Evil 5 etc. If you take the potential number of customers with these games then the numbers make perfect sense...some just don't seem to WANT to see this fact..

and this is not counting PSN titles like Tumble

They had only sold 200K in the first 10 days in the U.S.  So unless they sold close to 2 million of these in Europe and Latin America, I doubt those numbers are right. They may have sold that many to retailers and if that's the case they probably have 1.5 million still sitting on retail shelves.

Okay, let's make this simple so that even you can understand:

1. The sell through rate for Sony is 100%. End of discussion. In your fantasy world, this means that distributors are renting garages to stuff with Move controllers. In the real world, distributors buy everything Sony can deliver (and currently, Sony delivers Move controllers _by air_. This show that Sony is trying not to kill the momentum they have) and put it on their shelves.

2. The sell-through rate in shops is approx. 95-100% for Navs, 90-100% for dildos, and  about 60-100% for starter packs (depending on store size/importance) for most European countries.

3. Move controllers are NOT manufactured 1:1:1. Shops get about 7 [Starter packs] : 3 [Dildos Navs]. So any "Everybody buys 3 dildos/Navs with a Starter Pack" excuses is patently wrong.

4. Most people do buy the Starter pack WITHOUT any Move software (ask store clerks if you don't believe it. I have seen about 2 dozen folks buy Starter packs, NONE bought additional software). Software numbers are not really suited to track hardware numbers (which also means that Move currently sells to existing PS3 owners to a large extent).

It must really be frustrating to be you. You thought Kinect will se gigantic numbers and Move will not sell at all. So keep on ignoring the facts. But be assured that MS will sell more Kinects than Sony will sell Moves, nothing can beat the hype train and $$$$ when it comes to selling. 

Exactly. Sony needs to tell us how many of the MOVE Eyetoy camera's bundles they sold to customers. That's the REAL number. Saying they sold 2.5 million controllers is irrelevant if they are only in 600K homes (or 1500 retail stores). LOL!!

What did you smoke? We already know that the 1 million number is the number in stores. Nothing more nothing less. Everything you posted amounts to nothing.

A full two player setup could require purchase 7 move controllers.

A full kinect two player setup requires 1.

Wow, one player has 3 hands while the other has 4? 

Sorry, no offense but how does a 2-player setup equal 7 controllers? I would figure 4 at the most.

pezus said: Grimes said: A full two player setup could require purchase 7 move controllers. A full kinect two player setup requires 1. Huh? Two players with 7 controllers but only 4 hands?

I think he meants the products! 1 Camera, 4 Move Controllers, 2 Navs. That is full....but I doubt anyone is that crazy.....are they? 

Edit:(This is so you can play just about everything....multiple people)

Edit: GOD DAMNIT MY POST BROKE...

While I think the excuse holds merit, I think Move deserves beating Kinect. Sony is actually trying to appeal to everyone and I think they deserve this one. (as much as I don't care for the move, I can't deny sony's gaming effort)