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Mr Khan said:
KichiVerde said:
Kasz216 said:
Acevil said:

They just like the culture, what does it matter. Dubs aren't the greatest, so I can't blame them for not liking it. 


Dubs weren't the greatest.  Now they're usually fine.  Unless they go with an overly annoying voice like the one piece guys.

I'd say 80-90% of the time the Japanese voices don't sound as bad soley because peopel can't speak japanese.

Heck, half the time the voices won't even match, you'll get a 14 year old with some deep booming voice.

I understand Japanese well enough to watch TV, movies and what not in the original Japanese audio track without subs. And when it comes to their voice work it is on average good. Japanese voice actors garner huge followings and get steady work. So the best always do what they are best at. Moreover, Anime draws in a lot of talented live action  actors who lend their voices to animated films. So the quality is not the problem.

The problem is in the subs. Because people cant read as fast as they can digest spoken words, a lot gets cut out. I notice this with subtitling for Spanish to English stuff too, and that language is closer to English. Anyhow, in the case of Japanese to English and viceversa it is surprising how much is omitted. At least a third of what is said. It gets condensed. For example, in Japanese the person will say, "I like that girl with the nice ribbon in her hair," and the English subs will say "I like that girl."  With dubbing there is more leeway with what can be added, though the difficulty is in matching the movements of the mouth. In Japanese you often say less words than in English because the first is a highly contextualized language in which much is inferred from the context. But it is still more inclusive than compounding that fact with the limitations of using subs.

Another problem with Japanese is that it does not have the wide dialectal variety that English has. For example, in English, African Americans in general speak in a different way than Caucasians. So if you see a black character in a cartoon they are going to speak like they sound. But in Anime, there is no way to make a character sound black because there are no black Japanese people. The difference cant be represented, and this works on many levels.

My point is, if you dont understand Japanese and think that you are getting more out of seeing subtitled work, its not really not the case. As long as the English dub is not of an atrocious quality you are probably better off listening rather than reading. It will also allow the viewer more opportunity to enjoy the visuals. You miss a lot of the details by having to keep your eyes on the bottom of the screen.

In a lot of cases some of the translation stuff is about the difference between transliteration (saying exactly what was said), or idiomatic translation (translating the spirit of what was said, but getting it across differently)

i've especially noticed the idiomatic translation go on with swear words. A very loud, shocked "NANI??!!!??!!!" will translate to "What the fuck?!?" rather than to the simple, literal "What?!?"


Good point. In Japanese there are really no swear words. You express the same vulgarity in tone of voice and by using a superior register when speaking. For example when you talk to elder people you should use a humble register, but if you were to talk to them with a superior register like when you would talk to a child it would be extremely rude. Because English does not have honorifics it is impossible to show this in a translation. So vulgar swear words are thrown in to emphasize the point.





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NiKKoM said:
Mr.Metralha said

Even my 23 year old virgin roommate, which is obese,  and watches japanese animé like is life depends on it.

For crying out loud... Help the dude...

Galaki said:

Buy him a pillow...

There was a guy in my Digital Effects and Animation class who carried external hard drives of not porn, but anime, in his bookbag. I also felt like giving him a bar of soap last Christmas because he needed to wash his greasy and smelly self.

And in Japan, they DO have pillow people dolls (life-sized ones). My friend from Canada told me that when she went to Japan for a trip. Plus they have certain pillow people dolls that have life-like boobs and...er, well...you know...for you to have fun with...

Oh, and this thread is full of W ! Try to guess what that means in Japanese



I think the main reason it's so popular is it bridges the gap between TV for male children and male adults.  What is there really for male teens?  Not much.  Look at the subject of most anime and it's stuff that appeals to young males (regardless of culture): action and boobs.


Not all anime is like that though.  There's obviously stuff for girls considering the large female fan base anime has in America.  At the same time, there's some really great shows/movies that can butt heads with any of the greats of American TV and cinema.  Cowboy Bebop is a masterpiece among masterpieces.  Planetes, Bakemonogatari, and ToraDora are incredible examples of story telling within their genres.


5 CM Per Second deserves its spot among with the great pieces of cinema.  It's both beautiful to look at and a sophisticated examination of the way people grow apart through life.  Grave of the Fireflies is just as powerful as any other war movie.  Studio Ghibli has been recognized globally many times over.  I could go on.  Point is, there's great stuff to watch coming out of Japan.  Calling any one culture the best is stupid, I agree, but being able to appreciate stuff from all over the world is a good thing, I'm sure you'll agree.

In regards to subs vs. dubs, anyone who speaks multiple languages can tell you that it's impossible to properly convey meaning across language.  Sure, you can get the gist of things, but there are expressions, concepts, etc. that are entirely foreign to someone not familiar with the language and culture.  For example, the word bishounen describes an incredibly attractive young man, usually slender and tall.  The closest concept in English is a pretty boy, but the two words aren't really the same at all.  Bishounen has a positive connotation.  It's not a bad thing to be a bishounen, whereas pretty boys have this perception of only being good for their looks (i.e. they have no other redeeming qualities).  The meaning of the word bishounen is completely lost in translation.  THAT is why I watch subs any time I watch something foreign (Japanese, Spanish, French, German, etc.).



If it means anything i love dubs i dont read what i watch unless i have to lol.



I suppose it's because the west has a habit of viewing animation as kind of throwaway material. Most western animation refuses to take itself seriously, which is good for comedy but doesn't allow much depth.

A heap of Pixar stuff and Avatar: The Last Airbender are the two most obvious exceptions to this that I can think of. So a lot of people watch anime because it is truly different to most western animation.

 

The obsessives are just weird though.



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Severance said:

 

man you're going to run out of jizz if you live here , everyone looks like this , fat and full of cleavage and makeup

btw to turn you off, thats indeed her natural boobs, but shes holding off her stomach and have a certain angle so her cleavage show more, while having lots of makeup and bright as hell light so she appear to be slim and the light removes all the fat skin tear, its a common trick to do on facebook and myspace whores


Way to kill my boner :p



Naraku_Diabolos said:
NiKKoM said:
Mr.Metralha said

Even my 23 year old virgin roommate, which is obese,  and watches japanese animé like is life depends on it.

For crying out loud... Help the dude...

Galaki said:

Buy him a pillow...

There was a guy in my Digital Effects and Animation class who carried external hard drives of not porn, but anime, in his bookbag. I also felt like giving him a bar of soap last Christmas because he needed to wash his greasy and smelly self.

And in Japan, they DO have pillow people dolls (life-sized ones). My friend from Canada told me that when she went to Japan for a trip. Plus they have certain pillow people dolls that have life-like boobs and...er, well...you know...for you to have fun with...

Oh, and this thread is full of W ! Try to guess what that means in Japanese

Yep the pillows are quite common here, and even women buy them. They are called dakimakura or hugging pillows. Here is one with a gravure idol on it. Many have anime characters too, some even really young for the lolita sickos out there.

 





I don't like Japanese pop culture at all. For me it's like watching French movies, it has such an awkward mindset which doesn't pull any strings with me. It's not realistic, it doesn't portray people's emotions of real life, it doesn't have a relevant message and it's usually not a grappling fantasy world either. Japanese cartoons, their music, their humor, the movies. They all plain suck - to me.

The only exception is games, to some extent. Some Japanese games are good but not very many. Castle vania, Zelda and the Arcade coin-ops of the '80s.

Japanese old culture and history is a completely different thing though. I like that a lot and it shouldn't be mixed with modern Japanase culture (not that anyone does, I'm just saying).



Slimebeast said:

I don't like Japanese pop culture at all. For me it's like watching French movies, it has such an awkward mindset which doesn't pull any strings with me. It's not realistic, it doesn't portray people's emotions of real life, it doesn't have a relevant message and it's usually not a grappling fantasy world either. Japanese cartoons, their music, their humor, the movies. They all plain suck - to me.

The only exception is games, to some extent. Some Japanese games are good but not very many. Castle vania, Zelda and the Arcade coin-ops of the '80s.

Japanese old culture and history is a completely different thing though. I like that a lot and it shouldn't be mixed with modern Japanase culture (not that anyone does, I'm just saying).

lol we realized, you've always made it very obvious lawl



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Severance said:

what makes me lol is how in japanese dubs they're overdramatic most of the time, like when they say "ugh" its like someone is choking to death.

Weebos are annoying as much as every other fanboy , like this attention whore

or these hilarious retards

 

 

LOOOOOOOOL

SO FUNNY and Insulting!!!!



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