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kowhoho said:
Let me set something straight here. Evolution is not a religious belief (i.e. it has a logical foundation). Everything from the fossil record to a recent experiment involving some 40,000 generations of E-coli (which over just 20 years of experimentation evolved the ability to utilize citrate which is impossible in the wild strain of the bacteria) provide very solid evidence for the phenomenon of evolution. While we cannot be completely, 100% certain of anything(...ever!), probability tips the scale almost completely in favor of the evolutionary theory. My hypothesis regarding the origins of morality is also not without basis. Quite simply, at the point in time when our primate ancestors branched off into two separate evolutionary paths, homo sapiens differentiated from others in their collaborative effort, skill for communication and improvisation of tools. We still carry these traits today. Other current day primates also work collaboratively to hunt prey and so on. It's ridiculous to say that evolution is a religious belief. This would imply that you are solely using faith to provide evidence for what you think (believing something with no evidence to speak of), whereas we can be relatively certain (by your logic nobody can't "know" anything at all) that the phenomena described in evolutionary theory are sound. |
Science and Religion can and should co-exist. Albert Einstein acknowledged a Creator or God. Just sayin.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."
Those are just a few choice nuggets.
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Religious believers are more than likely believers in free market fairy tales and capitalism. Religious people are conservatives. Collectivisation and wealth distribution is proportionately based on how much the individuals contribute towards society: individual opportunism.
Socialists are more than likely atheists. Socialists are liberals. Marxists reject God and religion because individualism and selfishness interferes with working together for the state and all members of society. Collectivisation and wealth distribution is based on equal distribution regardless of how much the individuals contribute towards society. The socialist egalitarian utopian dream.
Atheists reject God and religion. Science is God. Atheists believe everything in the world has a scientific and logical explanation behind it. Science can be used to explain most things in our world.
I personally reject religion. Science and logic can explain most things in the universe. I believe there is no big invisible guy in the sky who controls the universe. Science is God.
The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness. ( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. (Albert Einstein)
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press.
Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being. (Albert Einstein, 1936) Responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann.
A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. (Albert Einstein, Religion and Science, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930.
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It).
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbour such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms. (Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955).
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) Following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding Do you believe in God? Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.
One strength of the Communist system ... is that it has some of the characteristics of a religion and inspires the emotions of a religion. (Albert Einstein, Out Of My Later Years, 1950)
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." "For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise, I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."Einstein penned this in a letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt.
Umos-Cmos said: Science and Religion can and should co-exist. Albert Einstein acknowledged a Creator or God. Just sayin. |
That's a lie. Do your research. Read ordoboros' post.
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I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
Spinozism is the monist philosophical system of Baruch Spinoza which defines "God" as a singular self-subsistent substance, and both matter and thought as attributes of such. Spinoza claimed that the third kind of knowledge, intuition, is the highest kind attainable. In Spinozism, the concept of a personal relationship with God comes from the position that one is a part of an infinite interdependent "organism". Spinoza taught that everything is but a wave in an endless ocean, and that what happens to one wave will affect other waves. Thus Spinozism teaches a form of determinism and ecology and supports this as a basis for morality. Additionally, a core doctrine of Spinozism is that the universe is essentially deterministic. All that happens or will happen could not have unfolded in any other way. Spinozism is closely related to the Hindu doctrines of Samkhya and Yoga. Spinoza's doctrine was considered radical at the time he published and he was widely seen as the most infamous atheist-heretic of Europe. His philosophy was part of the philosophic debate in Europe during the Enlightenment, along with Cartesianism
The October 1917 Russian Revolution saw a popular mass movement, led by the Bolshevik Party, overthrow the capitalist order and establish the Soviet Union as the world’s first workers’ state. However, the defeat of the revolutionary movements of the working class in Germany and Europe after the First World War left the Russian workers’ state isolated in a poor and war-devastated economy, creating the conditions for the emergence, and eventual triumph, of a privileged bureaucracy, headed by Joseph Stalin.
The Stalinists abandoned the internationalist program on which the Russian Revolution had been based and adopted instead the anti-Marxist perspective of building “socialism in one country”. This nationalist outlook provided the ideological basis for a repressive bureaucratic apparatus that destroyed Soviet democracy, murdered hundreds of thousands of genuine Marxists, and sabotaged the revolutionary struggles of workers around the world.
sapphi_snake said:
That's a lie. Do your research. Read ordoboros' post. |
There is a difference between saying there is no God and saying there is no personal God. Most of the quotes from Einstein are criticisms against a personal God who intervenes in human life. A person who believed in a non-personal God, such as a deist or a pantheist, would not confront these problems. Given that Einstein says he accepts Spinoza's God (Spinozism is the best example of pantheism), it could be said that he believed in God. He just did not believe in a personal or religious God.
The problem I have with scientists talking about their belief in God is that it is sometimes difficult to tell when they are using God as a metaphor and when they truly mean God. In Einstein's case, I could easily see someone arguing that he used God as a metaphor for the orderly structure of the universe. Personally, I find Einstein's views on God to be ambiguous.
GameOver22 said:
There is a difference between saying there is no God and saying there is no personal God. Most of the quotes from Einstein are criticisms against a personal God who intervenes in human life. A person who believed in a non-personal God, such as a deist or a pantheist, would not confront these problems. Given that Einstein says he accepts Spinoza's God (Spinozism is the best example of pantheism), it could be said that he believed in God. He just did not believe in a personal or religious God. The problem I have with scientists talking about their belief in God is that it is sometimes difficult to tell when they are using God as a metaphor and when they truly mean God. In Einstein's case, I could easily see someone arguing that he used God as a metaphor for the orderly structure of the universe. Personally, I find Einstein's views on God to be ambiguous. |
@GameOver22 Agreed. I didn't say he believed in a Christian God or a Muslim God or any other religious God. He just acknowleged a "Spirit" greater than humankinds. You can believe that Spirit is whatever you want. It's not a lie. I just pulled a few Einstein quotes. I'm out of here. Have fun.
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Of course Einstein didn't believe in a personal God , the man forsake his own children.