Pyramid12 said: viStaR said: Pyramid12 said: viStaR said: Fab_GS said: viStaR said: 5.5M in europe is way too MUCH! Not even Cod MW2 has that so no other game will have... in Americas may be at 2M. I Believe 2.1M in americas , 3.1M EMEAA and 1.5M in Japan for a total of 6.8M WW. Gran Turismo sales:- Game Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Gran Turismo (PS) - 1998 Sony Computer Entertainment              3.99 2.55 4.31 10.85 Gran Turismo 2 (PS) - 1999 Sony Computer Entertainment          3.96 1.71 3.70 9.37 Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2) - 2001 Sony Computer Entertainment 7.14 1.89 5.86 14.89 Gran Turismo 4 Prologue (PS2) - 2004 Sony Computer Entertainment 0.00 0.79 0.57 1.36 Gran Turismo 4 (PS2) - 2005                          Sony Computer Entertainment 2.81 1.26 6.49 10.56 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (PS3) - 2008 Sony Computer Entertainment 1.12 0.57 2.19 3.88 Ps2 : 150M Consoles Ps3 : By GT5 Launch : 38.6 - GT3 at launch = less ps2 console sold than what PS3 has now. GT3 life time = nearly 15m you want more? GOD OF WAR 1-2 = ps2 install base over 100m release GOD of war 3 = ps3 install base 36m at release still GOW3 sales > gow 1 and 2.   KEEP TRYING tho. Racing Sims years ago were much more popular... If FIFA doesnt sell more than 3M in EU it wont be GT. what are you on about? I just proved your userbase theory wrong. here's another example MGS4 > MGS3 with MGS3 launching in a console with over 100m userbase while MGS4 launched at what? ps3 24m userbase. YOUR USERBASE ARGUMENT IS VOID.

Compare GT5 Prologue sales in Japan to GT4 Prologue sales in Japan (EMEAA figures should be ignored because Prologue came out a month before the game did in EMEAA). With 2 years to sell GT5P, instead of 1 year GT4P had, GT5P still undersold GT4P by 220k. GT4P outsold GT5P by 38.6% in half the time.

GT3 also was bundled heavily in Americas, all other GT's did not sell that well in Americas. GT5 Pre-orders indicate the same trend all past GT games have had. So if GT5 manages to somehow do as well as all past GT's, it will only get 10 million at best, but with weak attention in Japan, and weak Pre-orders in Americas, I doubt it will do that well.

So I think GT5 will sell 8.5 million, which is stll damn good for a PS3 exclusive, and very reasonable.

All the big games compared. After Halo: Reach people stopped doing this, well Black Ops pre-orders have slowed down and now you can see.

Black Ops on PS3 appears to be doing very well, but on 360, both Halo Reach and MW2 are catching up. Go Halo!

Also, top 10 increases in Pre-Orders

That's 4 360 games, 3 PS3 games, 2 Wii games, and a PC game.

It's worth noting that Kirby: Epic Yarn would have been in 11th, with a jump of 17,849 units.

GO DK!

A Bad Clown:  Should I be insulted?  I'll have to go off my meds to be sure.  So hard to catch innuendo.  I fell for that keyboard thing once.  Should have known some football jock couldn't play like that.  I'm a fool not a phony.

Michael-5:  There's the info I was missing.  Thanks.  If trends continue BO 360 will be tracking behind Reach by next week.  Did we ever find out why MW2 hit 295k in week 3?  

just wow at CoD: black ops, miss the top 50, miss my golden sun numbers...=(

Michael-5 said: Pyramid12 said: viStaR said: Pyramid12 said: viStaR said: Fab_GS said: viStaR said: 5.5M in europe is way too MUCH! Not even Cod MW2 has that so no other game will have... in Americas may be at 2M. I Believe 2.1M in americas , 3.1M EMEAA and 1.5M in Japan for a total of 6.8M WW. Gran Turismo sales:- Game Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Gran Turismo (PS) - 1998 Sony Computer Entertainment              3.99 2.55 4.31 10.85 Gran Turismo 2 (PS) - 1999 Sony Computer Entertainment          3.96 1.71 3.70 9.37 Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2) - 2001 Sony Computer Entertainment 7.14 1.89 5.86 14.89 Gran Turismo 4 Prologue (PS2) - 2004 Sony Computer Entertainment 0.00 0.79 0.57 1.36 Gran Turismo 4 (PS2) - 2005                          Sony Computer Entertainment 2.81 1.26 6.49 10.56 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (PS3) - 2008 Sony Computer Entertainment 1.12 0.57 2.19 3.88 Ps2 : 150M Consoles Ps3 : By GT5 Launch : 38.6 - GT3 at launch = less ps2 console sold than what PS3 has now. GT3 life time = nearly 15m you want more? GOD OF WAR 1-2 = ps2 install base over 100m release GOD of war 3 = ps3 install base 36m at release still GOW3 sales > gow 1 and 2.   KEEP TRYING tho. Racing Sims years ago were much more popular... If FIFA doesnt sell more than 3M in EU it wont be GT. what are you on about? I just proved your userbase theory wrong. here's another example MGS4 > MGS3 with MGS3 launching in a console with over 100m userbase while MGS4 launched at what? ps3 24m userbase. YOUR USERBASE ARGUMENT IS VOID. Compare GT5 Prologue sales in Japan to GT4 Prologue sales in Japan (EMEAA figures should be ignored because Prologue came out a month before the game did in EMEAA). With 2 years to sell GT5P, instead of 1 year GT4P had, GT5P still undersold GT4P by 220k. GT4P outsold GT5P by 38.6% in half the time. GT3 also was bundled heavily in Americas, all other GT's did not sell that well in Americas. GT5 Pre-orders indicate the same trend all past GT games have had. So if GT5 manages to somehow do as well as all past GT's, it will only get 10 million at best, but with weak attention in Japan, and weak Pre-orders in Americas, I doubt it will do that well. So I think GT5 will sell 8.5 million, which is stll damn good for a PS3 exclusive, and very reasonable.

OK.......?

Compare GT5P to GT4p?

GT5P = 5m sold ON A CONSOLE WITH 37m userbase

GT4P = 1.3m ON A CONSOLE WITH OVER 100m userbase.

thx for further proving my point.

GT games never sold well in NA? is that why GT4 sold nearly 3m in NA while FIRST WEEK sales is LOWER than GOD OF WAR 3 in NA?

And 10m at best? that fine with me since that will make 90% of the ppl in this forum EAT CROW.

GT5p has sold nowhere near 5 million.

Thanks for ignoring my point entirely. GT4 Prologue was not released on the PS2 in Americas, and was only released in EMEAA a month before GT4. The only viable market you can compare GT5P and GT4P is in Japan, and GT4P outsold GT5P by roughly 38%, even though it was released only a year before GT4, opposed to GT5P being released 2 years before GT5.

I am not making any userbase arguement, strictly sales. Baised off GT5P sales, GT5 will not be as strong in Japan as prior GT games. With the poor Pre-orders GT5's is getting in Americas, GT5 sales at best will mimic GT 1, 2, or 4 sales, and even then I doubt that. The evidence I have presented shows that in Japan and Americas, GT5 will not be as strong as prior GT games. It will still be a strong game, my predicted 8.5 million sales is nothing to laugh about. Forza games generally only get about 4 million.

3 million in Americas is strong, but if you expect the game to sell 10 million, your putting a lot of pressure on the EMEAA regions.

BTW eat crow??