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Seece on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:
gossomer said:

Everyone's focus on Hardware is part of the issue here... Software is the biggest driver of earnings for 1st party.  They make more money and it insures the life of the hardware.

Nintendo has clearly won this cycle on Hardware, there is no doubt.. but has not won on software.  With the huge install base on hardware they are tracking down 20% on software this year and likely down another 20% next year.  At this point in the cycle for PS2 software tracked flat to down 5% for these two years.

Nintendo is in a position where they need to introduce new hardware to drive software and get back to growing earnings.

 

 

Exactly, if they introduce a redesign, along their usually planned software, they will have a fresh start, just like the PS3 slim and 360 slim.

That is what Nintendo needs. I just wonder if it is more profitable to Nintendo to keep selling the current Wii despite low sales for what the console managed to pull off, or if is is feasible to make a redesign.

@ Seece,

ok dude, whatever helps you sleep at night. Geez.  At least I back up my arguments, your opinion on this matter is laughable and despising the other's sources is just ridiculous.

By I'll post here for you, another source. Click here dude. I guess that one is "pathetic" either isn't it? The world is just against Microsoft because we have nothing better to do. Yep. X360 never fry itself. Never.

Well that certainly sums you up fella.

Rest fo your post is trash as usual, don't know why you keep lambasting me and carl about not backing up our posts, we will when you come out with something worthwhile.



 

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axt113 on 30 September 2010
Carl2291 said:
axt113 said:


Late 2012 is more realistic, but problems, no its not problems, its called a product lifecycle, products have periods where they are introduced, grow, mature and then decline, its natural, all consoles have it, this is just Wii in its later stages as well

So the Wii's later stages have come before the PS3's/360's?

This is a problem when you're the generation leader.


No, its because PS3 and 360 have been refreshed, a method that companies can use to extend the life cycle of a system,  the slim versions have added some time to the other two systems, that being said, because of the Wii's sales advantage, Nintendo probably sees no need to bother refreshing the Wii



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

axt113 on 30 September 2010
gossomer said:

Everyone's focus on Hardware is part of the issue here... Software is the biggest driver of earnings for 1st party.  They make more money and it insures the life of the hardware.

Nintendo has clearly won this cycle on Hardware, there is no doubt.. but has not won on software.  With the huge install base on hardware they are tracking down 20% on software this year and likely down another 20% next year.  At this point in the cycle for PS2 software tracked flat to down 5% for these two years.

Nintendo is in a position where they need to introduce new hardware to drive software and get back to growing earnings.

 

 

No, Nintendo has won on software, I'm talking Nintendo the company, as they have made a boatload of software sales, far more than MS and Sony have made on their consoles, on PS3 and 360 its 3rd parties benefitting most, on Wii Nintendo has the lions share



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

Mr.Metralha on 30 September 2010
axt113 said:
gossomer said:

Everyone's focus on Hardware is part of the issue here... Software is the biggest driver of earnings for 1st party.  They make more money and it insures the life of the hardware.

Nintendo has clearly won this cycle on Hardware, there is no doubt.. but has not won on software.  With the huge install base on hardware they are tracking down 20% on software this year and likely down another 20% next year.  At this point in the cycle for PS2 software tracked flat to down 5% for these two years.

Nintendo is in a position where they need to introduce new hardware to drive software and get back to growing earnings.

 

 

No, Nintendo has won on software, I'm talking Nintendo the company, as they have made a boatload of software sales, far more than MS and Sony have made on their consoles, on PS3 and 360 its 3rd parties benefitting most, on Wii Nintendo has the lions share

Aren't the Wii 3rd party sales higher than the 360 or PS3?



Mr Puggsly on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:
axt113 said:

No, Nintendo has won on software, I'm talking Nintendo the company, as they have made a boatload of software sales, far more than MS and Sony have made on their consoles, on PS3 and 360 its 3rd parties benefitting most, on Wii Nintendo has the lions share

Aren't the Wii 3rd party sales higher than the 360 or PS3?

Well uhhh... I pulled up some ball park numbers based on this site...

All the Wii games published by Nintendo sold about 273 million. Subtract that from 514 million and you got 241 million 3rd party units sold.

The 360 has sold 70 million MS published games. Gears of War is really 3rd party, but I'm including it anyway because its MS published. Subtract that from 380 million. The 360 has apparently sold 310 million 3rd party units.

Now I'm not saying these numbers are 100% accurate. But it looks like the 360 has sold considerably more 3rd party software than the Wii.



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Mr.Metralha on 30 September 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Mr.Metralha said:
axt113 said:

No, Nintendo has won on software, I'm talking Nintendo the company, as they have made a boatload of software sales, far more than MS and Sony have made on their consoles, on PS3 and 360 its 3rd parties benefitting most, on Wii Nintendo has the lions share

Aren't the Wii 3rd party sales higher than the 360 or PS3?

Well uhhh... I pulled up some ball park numbers based on this site...

All the Wii games published by Nintendo sold about 273 million. Subtract that from 514 million and you got 241 million 3rd party units sold.

The 360 has sold 70 million MS published games. Gears of War is really 3rd party, but I'm including it anyway because its MS published. Subtract that from 380 million. The 360 has apparently sold 310 million 3rd party units.

Now I'm not saying these numbers are 100% accurate. But it looks like the 360 has sold considerably more 3rd party software than the Wii.

What about PS3?



Seece on 30 September 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Mr.Metralha said:
axt113 said:

No, Nintendo has won on software, I'm talking Nintendo the company, as they have made a boatload of software sales, far more than MS and Sony have made on their consoles, on PS3 and 360 its 3rd parties benefitting most, on Wii Nintendo has the lions share

Aren't the Wii 3rd party sales higher than the 360 or PS3?

Well uhhh... I pulled up some ball park numbers based on this site...

All the Wii games published by Nintendo sold about 273 million. Subtract that from 514 million and you got 241 million 3rd party units sold.

The 360 has sold 70 million MS published games. Gears of War is really 3rd party, but I'm including it anyway because its MS published. Subtract that from 380 million. The 360 has apparently sold 310 million 3rd party units.

Now I'm not saying these numbers are 100% accurate. But it looks like the 360 has sold considerably more 3rd party software than the Wii.

OUCH!



 

Mr Puggsly on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Mr.Metralha said:
axt113 said:

No, Nintendo has won on software, I'm talking Nintendo the company, as they have made a boatload of software sales, far more than MS and Sony have made on their consoles, on PS3 and 360 its 3rd parties benefitting most, on Wii Nintendo has the lions share

Aren't the Wii 3rd party sales higher than the 360 or PS3?

Well uhhh... I pulled up some ball park numbers based on this site...

All the Wii games published by Nintendo sold about 273 million. Subtract that from 514 million and you got 241 million 3rd party units sold.

The 360 has sold 70 million MS published games. Gears of War is really 3rd party, but I'm including it anyway because its MS published. Subtract that from 380 million. The 360 has apparently sold 310 million 3rd party units.

Now I'm not saying these numbers are 100% accurate. But it looks like the 360 has sold considerably more 3rd party software than the Wii.

What about PS3?

I came up with 212 million 3rd party units for PS3.

I would assume PS3 could catch up and surpass the Wii in the future.



Recently Completed: 
River City: Rival Showdown for 3DS (3/5) - River City: Tokyo Rumble for 3DS (4/5) - Zelda: BotW for Wii U (5/5) - Zelda: BotW for Switch (5/5) - Zelda: Link's Awakening for Switch (4/5) - Rage 2 for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

haxxiy on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Mr.Metralha said:
axt113 said:

No, Nintendo has won on software, I'm talking Nintendo the company, as they have made a boatload of software sales, far more than MS and Sony have made on their consoles, on PS3 and 360 its 3rd parties benefitting most, on Wii Nintendo has the lions share

Aren't the Wii 3rd party sales higher than the 360 or PS3?

Well uhhh... I pulled up some ball park numbers based on this site...

All the Wii games published by Nintendo sold about 273 million. Subtract that from 514 million and you got 241 million 3rd party units sold.

The 360 has sold 70 million MS published games. Gears of War is really 3rd party, but I'm including it anyway because its MS published. Subtract that from 380 million. The 360 has apparently sold 310 million 3rd party units.

Now I'm not saying these numbers are 100% accurate. But it looks like the 360 has sold considerably more 3rd party software than the Wii.

What about PS3?

Sony has more first party titles and franchises than MS but then you have Halos and Gearses at the Xbox so I'll take a shot and guess around 210m third party titles sold for the PS3. Very likely to surpass Wii's totals in the mid term, one could say. Someone could correct me later if I'm wrong.

Anyways you could say numbers are pretty meaningless for real gamers when you take a look at which titles make up for the Wii third party numbers. Just Dance, Cabela Big Hunter, Fitness Coach... when you remember the SNES/N64 or even the GC days it's pretty depressing man. That's the price Nintendo paid for being back at the top and have their money.



 

 

 

 

 

rakugakist on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:
gossomer said:

Everyone's focus on Hardware is part of the issue here... Software is the biggest driver of earnings for 1st party.  They make more money and it insures the life of the hardware.

Nintendo has clearly won this cycle on Hardware, there is no doubt.. but has not won on software.  With the huge install base on hardware they are tracking down 20% on software this year and likely down another 20% next year.  At this point in the cycle for PS2 software tracked flat to down 5% for these two years.

Nintendo is in a position where they need to introduce new hardware to drive software and get back to growing earnings.

 

 

Exactly, if they introduce a redesign, along their usually planned software, they will have a fresh start, just like the PS3 slim and 360 slim.

That is what Nintendo needs. I just wonder if it is more profitable to Nintendo to keep selling the current Wii despite low sales for what the console managed to pull off, or if is is feasible to make a redesign.

@ Seece,

ok dude, whatever helps you sleep at night. Geez.  At least I back up my arguments, your opinion on this matter is laughable and despising the other's sources is just ridiculous.

By I'll post here for you, another source. Click here dude. I guess that one is "pathetic" either isn't it? The world is just against Microsoft because we have nothing better to do. Yep. X360 never fry itself. Never.

Dude, you are just laughable.  I like at how you're trying to be all sly, but it isn't working man.  I've read through this entire thread, and it's quite funny actually.

First of all, a Wii remodel probably wouldn't help Wii sales all that much.  A price cut would, but a simple remodel won't suffice with the core Wii audience.  Wii sales are in a decline and it's most likely never going to pass the PS2.  I would urge you to get over it.  You're obviously a Nintendo fan, so just be happy that you're in first place and that you have the DS which will pass the PS2.

Secondly, the 360 has a high failure rate, higher than Nintendo's.  We get it.  This argument is a bored attempt at downplaying the 360's success.  Claiming to be more credible by posting a source with a survey of 2000 people doesn't make the source true.  Thus the jokes about asking eight people in the office about Wii and such.  

360's software sales speak for themselves.  If 10 million peoples Xbox's broke, then an even higher percentage of 360 owners are buying software, which is very good for MS, and very good for developers.  The 360 is successful, period.

I honestly don't know why I even bothered replying to this.  (shakes his head)