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axt113 on 30 September 2010
Carl2291 said:
axt113 said:


Yeah, but realistically how many people in Brazil are going to buy a PS2, those that can afford will want a 360 or a PS3 or a Wii, and those that can't won't be buying a PS2 anyways

So lets be serious, Wii is hardly in trouble, yes its nearing the later stages of its product lifecycle, but even now, its overtracking its competiton and even other historical record holders like the PS2

All this talk about niontento needingto rush out its next console or being on death's door is extreme exagerration not supported by the numbers

It's not just Brazil obviously. Numerous other countries to add onto that. Was just giving you an example of the PS2's market and how it's still growing even 10 years after release.

Wii isn't in trouble, so to say, but it is definitely experiencing some problems. It's at it's lowest ever sales and is getting shunned left and right by 3rd parties. It's these 2 reasons why people are expecting Nintendo to release "Super Wii" fairly soon. My guess is early/mid 2012 personally...


Late 2012 is more realistic, but problems, no its not problems, its called a product lifecycle, products have periods where they are introduced, grow, mature and then decline, its natural, all consoles have it, this is just Wii in its later stages as well



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

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Carl on 30 September 2010
axt113 said:


Late 2012 is more realistic, but problems, no its not problems, its called a product lifecycle, products have periods where they are introduced, grow, mature and then decline, its natural, all consoles have it, this is just Wii in its later stages as well

So the Wii's later stages have come before the PS3's/360's?

This is a problem when you're the generation leader.



                            

Mr.Metralha on 30 September 2010
Seece said:
Mr.Metralha said:

The target would be people that want to buy it, and since the Wii sells much more hardware and software than the 360 or the PS3 (although not lately ) I wouldn't be surprised at all if sales skyrocketed again. Just because it is the number one console this gen.

After all who would care with a DSi and DSi XL, a console for casuals, when they had the shinny new hardcore PSP go?

Oh wait....

Saying I'm wrong is as much useful as me saying your are wrong, so here we go again: you are wrong.

Also, from the 43 million 360's sold, not counting the replacement units and rebuys for the Slim, I wonder how many 360 are really out there.

 I doubt it is much more than ~33 million, the remaining 10 million would pretty much represent the dead consoles that got replaced and that number represents an overall 23% failure rate for the system, since its launch. And that's a very fair number to give to its failure rate since the first models of the 360 were just disastrous hardware wise.

 

 

rofl, people buy wii's for it's main function, motion controls. THAT audience are not going to flock to it again because it has different casing ect, they do not care one iota.

BTW, I'm not even replying to that last paragraph, much prefer to just see you banned so nobody has to read the rubbish you keep spouting, and yes false figures on RROD are bannable.

I don't agree with your paragraph, but that's ok, one can have a different prespective.

Also offenses are bannable, so you just cool down bro. We're debating a topic here, no need to wish whatever for anyone that just has a different opinion.

Oh one more thing, if the figures I said are false, they are for the better, because the RoD'd issue for the overall 360 life time might be way bigger than just 23%. I'm just doing the maths from the down side.

 

 



Seece on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:
Seece said:
Mr.Metralha said:

The target would be people that want to buy it, and since the Wii sells much more hardware and software than the 360 or the PS3 (although not lately ) I wouldn't be surprised at all if sales skyrocketed again. Just because it is the number one console this gen.

After all who would care with a DSi and DSi XL, a console for casuals, when they had the shinny new hardcore PSP go?

Oh wait....

Saying I'm wrong is as much useful as me saying your are wrong, so here we go again: you are wrong.

Also, from the 43 million 360's sold, not counting the replacement units and rebuys for the Slim, I wonder how many 360 are really out there.

 I doubt it is much more than ~33 million, the remaining 10 million would pretty much represent the dead consoles that got replaced and that number represents an overall 23% failure rate for the system, since its launch. And that's a very fair number to give to its failure rate since the first models of the 360 were just disastrous hardware wise.

 

 

rofl, people buy wii's for it's main function, motion controls. THAT audience are not going to flock to it again because it has different casing ect, they do not care one iota.

BTW, I'm not even replying to that last paragraph, much prefer to just see you banned so nobody has to read the rubbish you keep spouting, and yes false figures on RROD are bannable.

I don't agree with your paragraph, but that's ok, one can have a different prespective.

Also offenses are bannable, so you just cool down bro. We're debating a topic here, no need to wish whatever for anyone that just has a different opinion.

Oh one more thing, if the figures I said are false, they are for the better, because the RoD'd issue for the overall 360 life time might be way bigger than just 23%. I'm just doing the maths from the down side.

 

 


Oh if only it were just an opinion, it's not, it's you spreading rubbish. I don't care what figures you come up with, I know MS fix broken consoles. There aren't millions of 360 in landfill, the attach rate is just one way to prove that.

You do deserve to be banned because you're just talking rubbish and stealth trolling wherever you can.



 

Mr.Metralha on 30 September 2010

Cool down bro,

and I'm not posting rubbish as I linked the failure rate to a source.

Talking about you, you're just denying what I'm saying without backing up your arguments with actual facts or sources, and that is the real rubbish talk if you ask me.

And stop saying you want me banned ok, that's annoying. I love you too. Stick to the topic dude.



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Kasz216 on 30 September 2010

Youwch.



gossomer on 30 September 2010

Everyone's focus on Hardware is part of the issue here... Software is the biggest driver of earnings for 1st party.  They make more money and it insures the life of the hardware.

Nintendo has clearly won this cycle on Hardware, there is no doubt.. but has not won on software.  With the huge install base on hardware they are tracking down 20% on software this year and likely down another 20% next year.  At this point in the cycle for PS2 software tracked flat to down 5% for these two years.

Nintendo is in a position where they need to introduce new hardware to drive software and get back to growing earnings.

 

 



Seece on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:

Cool down bro,

and I'm not posting rubbish as I linked the failure rate to a source.

Talking about you, you're just denying what I'm saying without backing up your arguments with actual facts or sources, and that is the real rubbish talk if you ask me.

And stop saying you want me banned ok, that's annoying. I love you too. Stick to the topic dude.

Your source IS rubbish and meaningless, you know this but you'll use whatever you can to diss the 360 sales. Now that is annoying.

I don't need to back up my argument, it only takes common sense to figure out what your saying is stealth trolling.



 

Carl on 30 September 2010
Mr.Metralha said:

Cool down bro,

and I'm not posting rubbish as I linked the failure rate to a source.

Talking about you, you're just denying what I'm saying without backing up your arguments with actual facts or sources, and that is the real rubbish talk if you ask me.

And stop saying you want me banned ok, that's annoying. I love you too. Stick to the topic dude.

You are posting rubbish. Who cares if you post a source citing an unconfirmed failure rate.

You're saying the 360's MS apparently replace are in with the new 360's shipped total. You're wrong. We don't need to back this up... It's a common known fact. They repair your console, not replace it.



                            

Mr.Metralha on 30 September 2010
gossomer said:

Everyone's focus on Hardware is part of the issue here... Software is the biggest driver of earnings for 1st party.  They make more money and it insures the life of the hardware.

Nintendo has clearly won this cycle on Hardware, there is no doubt.. but has not won on software.  With the huge install base on hardware they are tracking down 20% on software this year and likely down another 20% next year.  At this point in the cycle for PS2 software tracked flat to down 5% for these two years.

Nintendo is in a position where they need to introduce new hardware to drive software and get back to growing earnings.

 

 

Exactly, if they introduce a redesign, along their usually planned software, they will have a fresh start, just like the PS3 slim and 360 slim.

That is what Nintendo needs. I just wonder if it is more profitable to Nintendo to keep selling the current Wii despite low sales for what the console managed to pull off, or if is is feasible to make a redesign.

@ Seece,

ok dude, whatever helps you sleep at night. Geez.  At least I back up my arguments, your opinion on this matter is laughable and despising the other's sources is just ridiculous.

By I'll post here for you, another source. Click here dude. I guess that one is "pathetic" either isn't it? The world is just against Microsoft because we have nothing better to do. Yep. X360 never fry itself. Never.