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johnglen said:
A203D said:
johnglen said:
libellule said:
johnglen said:
libellule said:

EA is making tonne of money because of the good PS3 softwares sales

good multiplateform software sales du to the lack of hacking and the less "upgrade/remplacement hardware purchase" because of the RRoD

FIFA is a good example ....

EA has also been making tons of money because of the good xbox360 software sales for years now, so what's your point ??

The rest is bullshit (the blahblah blah when it comes to the 360's userbase) when the attach ratio of the 360 is by far the highest this generation, a fact that destroys all the amateurish propaganda.

well, I m sure they are making tonne of money on the 360. They are making more money on 360, let's be clearer.
But they also know those 360 people are very Gears or Halo or CoD biased (not EA games). While PS3 is lacking a "king exclusive" meaning people will tend to buy more multiplateform games (see FIFA).

At the end, multiplateform sales tend to favor PS3 compared to the "official" console user base ratio. That is why EA is loving the PS3.

And, at this question : WHY PS3 software sales on multiplateform games do not follow the userbase ratio PS3/360 ?

- there is no piracy on PS3, there are plenty on 360
- I m GUESSING the 360 userbase is "virtually" slightly inflated because of people buying more than one whatever it is because the old one was broken or because the 360 is cheaper so u can buy several for your children. I doubt many people have 2 PS3s and I doubt people bought many PS3s because their first died by RRoD ...

Also, about the attach rate you are mentionning, since this rate include the 360 exclusive or no EA games (that EA, obviously, dont give a fucking shit) AND since this attach rate is biased because it is calculated WITHOUT taking in count the fact that the 360 was released 1 year before the PS3 (from what I know), I tend to consider it is not an interesting parameter IMHO

The attach rate of the 360 IS NOT DROPPING despite the 360 selling hundreds of thousand of consoles which would be the normal thing to happen if the same people were rebuying the console. How difficult is it to understand this simple logical fact ??

As for the ratio between the 360 and the ps3, the ratio is never linear with the consoles userbases . The xbox 360 has a more "mature" userbase in the west since it has sold far more there so it is quite normal that the ratio will be in ps3' favour and that's mopre on a game by game basis anyway. Hell the ratio in many ps2/xbox multiplatform games was much more in favour of the xbox (percentage wise) despite the HUGE difference between the userbases of the 2 consoles.

I'm not 100% sure but i think the 360 userbase has more teens and kids than the PS3 userbase, that i would say has more adults. Why?? because the 360 is cheaper, so it seems more likely that parents will get that for their kids, as they dont know or care about tech stuff. if you look at stuff like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain the sales of HR have been really good for a mature based game compared to AW which is not considered a success. 

the other thing is if you look at stuff like Kung Fu Panda and Lego Batman, they've sold more than Mass Effect 1 & 2 on the 360, suggesting a less mature userbase than on the PS3. although, by no means am i trying to start a flame war, just pointing out a possible theory...

By "mature" userbase i wasn't referring to the age of the consoles' owners, i was referring to the fact that the 360 has sold much more in the west which , from a certain sales' standpoint means diminishing returns in terms of buying power. (see ps2, for a better example of that). The less the owners , the more hardcore they are and the more games they are buying (the xbox360 early life is a perfect example of that)

Oh and since we are talking about the U.K i repeat everything conserning ratios is on a game by game basis, for example F1 sold  almost the same across the 2 platforms while dead rising 2 sold almost double copies on the 360.

Thats because the first one wasn't on ps3, not to mention the dlc, FFXIII sold like 3 times on ps3 then 360, 



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theonewhoisme said:
johnglen said:
A203D said:
johnglen said:
libellule said:
johnglen said:

EA has also been making tons of money because of the good xbox360 software sales for years now, so what's your point ??

The rest is bullshit (the blahblah blah when it comes to the 360's userbase) when the attach ratio of the 360 is by far the highest this generation, a fact that destroys all the amateurish propaganda.

well, I m sure they are making tonne of money on the 360. They are making more money on 360, let's be clearer.
But they also know those 360 people are very Gears or Halo or CoD biased (not EA games). While PS3 is lacking a "king exclusive" meaning people will tend to buy more multiplateform games (see FIFA).

At the end, multiplateform sales tend to favor PS3 compared to the "official" console user base ratio. That is why EA is loving the PS3.

And, at this question : WHY PS3 software sales on multiplateform games do not follow the userbase ratio PS3/360 ?

- there is no piracy on PS3, there are plenty on 360
- I m GUESSING the 360 userbase is "virtually" slightly inflated because of people buying more than one whatever it is because the old one was broken or because the 360 is cheaper so u can buy several for your children. I doubt many people have 2 PS3s and I doubt people bought many PS3s because their first died by RRoD ...

Also, about the attach rate you are mentionning, since this rate include the 360 exclusive or no EA games (that EA, obviously, dont give a fucking shit) AND since this attach rate is biased because it is calculated WITHOUT taking in count the fact that the 360 was released 1 year before the PS3 (from what I know), I tend to consider it is not an interesting parameter IMHO

The attach rate of the 360 IS NOT DROPPING despite the 360 selling hundreds of thousand of consoles which would be the normal thing to happen if the same people were rebuying the console. How difficult is it to understand this simple logical fact ??

 

As for the ratio between the 360 and the ps3, the ratio is never linear with the consoles userbases . The xbox 360 has a more "mature" userbase in the west since it has sold far more there so it is quite normal that the ratio will be in ps3' favour and that's mopre on a game by game basis anyway. Hell the ratio in many ps2/xbox multiplatform games was much more in favour of the xbox (percentage wise) despite the HUGE difference between the userbases of the 2 consoles.

I'm not 100% sure but i think the 360 userbase has more teens and kids than the PS3 userbase, that i would say has more adults. Why?? because the 360 is cheaper, so it seems more likely that parents will get that for their kids, as they dont know or care about tech stuff. if you look at stuff like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain the sales of HR have been really good for a mature based game compared to AW which is not considered a success. 

the other thing is if you look at stuff like Kung Fu Panda and Lego Batman, they've sold more than Mass Effect 1 & 2 on the 360, suggesting a less mature userbase than on the PS3. although, by no means am i trying to start a flame war, just pointing out a possible theory...

By "mature" userbase i wasn't referring to the age of the consoles' owners, i was referring to the fact that the 360 has sold much more in the west which , from a certain sales' standpoint means diminishing returns in terms of buying power. (see ps2, for a better example of that). The less the owners , the more hardcore they are and the more games they are buying (the xbox360 early life is a perfect example of that)

Oh and since we are talking about the U.K i repeat everything conserning ratios is on a game by game basis, for example F1 sold  almost the same across the 2 platforms while dead rising 2 sold almost double copies on the 360.

Thats because the first one wasn't on ps3, not to mention the dlc, FFXIII sold like 3 times on ps3 then 360, 

You took THE ONE GAME in the whole generation that did that and missed my point completely.



theonewhoisme said:
A203D said:
Seece said:
A203D said:
johnglen said:
libellule said:

well, I m sure they are making tonne of money on the 360. They are making more money on 360, let's be clearer.
But they also know those 360 people are very Gears or Halo or CoD biased (not EA games). While PS3 is lacking a "king exclusive" meaning people will tend to buy more multiplateform games (see FIFA).

At the end, multiplateform sales tend to favor PS3 compared to the "official" console user base ratio. That is why EA is loving the PS3.

And, at this question : WHY PS3 software sales on multiplateform games do not follow the userbase ratio PS3/360 ?

- there is no piracy on PS3, there are plenty on 360
- I m GUESSING the 360 userbase is "virtually" slightly inflated because of people buying more than one whatever it is because the old one was broken or because the 360 is cheaper so u can buy several for your children. I doubt many people have 2 PS3s and I doubt people bought many PS3s because their first died by RRoD ...

Also, about the attach rate you are mentionning, since this rate include the 360 exclusive or no EA games (that EA, obviously, dont give a fucking shit) AND since this attach rate is biased because it is calculated WITHOUT taking in count the fact that the 360 was released 1 year before the PS3 (from what I know), I tend to consider it is not an interesting parameter IMHO

The attach rate of the 360 IS NOT DROPPING despite the 360 selling hundreds of thousand of consoles which would be the normal thing to happen if the same people were rebuying the console. How difficult is it to understand this simple logical fact ??

 

As for the ratio between the 360 and the ps3, the ratio is never linear with the consoles userbases . The xbox 360 has a more "mature" userbase in the west since it has sold far more there so it is quite normal that the ratio will be in ps3' favour and that's mopre on a game by game basis anyway. Hell the ratio in many ps2/xbox multiplatform games was much more in favour of the xbox (percentage wise) despite the HUGE difference between the userbases of the 2 consoles.

I'm not 100% sure but i think the 360 userbase has more teens and kids than the PS3 userbase, that i would say has more adults. Why?? because the 360 is cheaper, so it seems more likely that parents will get that for their kids, as they dont know or care about tech stuff. if you look at stuff like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain the sales of HR have been really good for a mature based game compared to AW which is not considered a success. 

the other thing is if you look at stuff like Kung Fu Panda and Lego Batman, they've sold more than Mass Effect 1 & 2 on the 360, suggesting a less mature userbase than on the PS3. although, by no means am i trying to start a flame war, just pointing out a possible theory...

Gears of War?

Like i said its a theory, but i dont think its as clear cut as having a mature userbase on either console, the numbers dont tell use everything. GoW suggests that the mature user base is divided about evenly across both.

Um a ton of kids play gears of war so yeah..., ps3 seems to have a more mature audience though (not necessarily older) Since games like heavy rain and demon souls thrive dispite minimal advertising, compared to alan wake that go a decent amount of advertising and still hasn't even cracked a million

Yeah i was aware of that i just didnt want to start a flame war, but i think to be fair Halo Reach sold 4mil in the first week. now how many parents (mainly in the US) buy games for their kids on the week of release, its not chrismas, schools just started. so it seems more reasonable to me that a lot of mature (older) gamers are invested in the 360, although, i think there are probabily more kids on the 360 than PS3, for the reasons we said before.



A203D said:
theonewhoisme said:
A203D said:
Seece said:
A203D said:
johnglen said:

The attach rate of the 360 IS NOT DROPPING despite the 360 selling hundreds of thousand of consoles which would be the normal thing to happen if the same people were rebuying the console. How difficult is it to understand this simple logical fact ??

As for the ratio between the 360 and the ps3, the ratio is never linear with the consoles userbases . The xbox 360 has a more "mature" userbase in the west since it has sold far more there so it is quite normal that the ratio will be in ps3' favour and that's mopre on a game by game basis anyway. Hell the ratio in many ps2/xbox multiplatform games was much more in favour of the xbox (percentage wise) despite the HUGE difference between the userbases of the 2 consoles.

I'm not 100% sure but i think the 360 userbase has more teens and kids than the PS3 userbase, that i would say has more adults. Why?? because the 360 is cheaper, so it seems more likely that parents will get that for their kids, as they dont know or care about tech stuff. if you look at stuff like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain the sales of HR have been really good for a mature based game compared to AW which is not considered a success. 

the other thing is if you look at stuff like Kung Fu Panda and Lego Batman, they've sold more than Mass Effect 1 & 2 on the 360, suggesting a less mature userbase than on the PS3. although, by no means am i trying to start a flame war, just pointing out a possible theory...

Gears of War?

Like i said its a theory, but i dont think its as clear cut as having a mature userbase on either console, the numbers dont tell use everything. GoW suggests that the mature user base is divided about evenly across both.

Um a ton of kids play gears of war so yeah..., ps3 seems to have a more mature audience though (not necessarily older) Since games like heavy rain and demon souls thrive dispite minimal advertising, compared to alan wake that go a decent amount of advertising and still hasn't even cracked a million

Yeah i was aware of that i just didnt want to start a flame war, but i think to be fair Halo Reach sold 4mil in the first week. now how many parents (mainly in the US) buy games for their kids on the week of release, its not chrismas, schools just started. so it seems more reasonable to me that a lot of mature (older) gamers are invested in the 360, although, i think there are probabily more kids on the 360 than PS3, for the reasons we said before.

Most kids can get their parents or a sibling or a older friend to buy a game for them, or just con the guy, even if their paying, and alot of parents just buy their kid the game so they will shut up, with all the advertisement the kid probably mentions it every time, so yeah it's not that hard for a kid to get their hands on a M rated game 



theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:

so let me see if i get what your saying, VGC on the day they released the quarters shipping numbers (which is a month after they stop counting for that quarter) only had 300K units free the number of free units im interested in is the number for the date the tracking for the quarter information ends, im betting that was more then 300k. by the time the numbers are out for us a month later who know MS could have holding shipments for the start of the next quarter and pumped a few hundred thousand out.

do you have the exact end date of the quarter in question, vgc listed as ltd and MS ltd. not the date the report was released but the date they stopped counting for the report

 

edit sorry for the slow reply got caught up in minecraft

VG had the 360 sales at about 300k less then the amount MS said they shipped, and then a month or so later (not sure when just heard about it) they add 1 million to the 360 sales because of under tracking 4 years ago or something, so if they added it at any point before the shipped numbers for 360 came in, VG would have shown 700k more 360s sold then MS said were shipped (even if it sold that much in a month that would mean there are no 360s left in stores at all), and there were no reported shortages for 360s, where there were reported shortages of ps3s which had 2 million more shipped then VG had sold, which means VG chartz numbers are way off and inconsistent, as for the date of the report http://scrawlfx.com/2010/04/xbox-360-reaches-40-million-sold the article says april 23

thats for last 3rd quarter (srd q 2010) which ends for MS on march 30th sells through at the time on VGC are listed at 39.119k shipping from MS at 40.2k seems like a fair gap for me.

april 23 is when it was reported not when the figures are for. 

year for MS ends in june which is the Q i thought you were talking about earlier, hence why i mentioned they might be running it dry to make next years shipments look better. got another one for me

How do you know exactly what VG had it at back then, I remember it being .3 million or at least under a million, and even still your forgetting that they under-tracked it by 1 million 4 years ago and then added it a few months later, so thats still next to none in stores, when ps3 had the shortages with 2 million (plus the extra month) apparently in stores, so yeah anyway you look at it VG is wrong, they seem to be giving 360 more sales then it has and ignoring alot of ps3 sales 


vgc has an adjustments thread, please find it in there if you would. i looked up your number, and traced it. i do not remember the point in time your talking about, where it was over/under by 300k i do recal a major adjust ment for all three consoles this summer do to under tracking across the board around  year end for ms (june)

 

edit there were ps3 shortages this year? hmm i dont remember that. last year yes lots of them sporadically all year, but this year?

maybe I'm thinking of the wrong fiscal report, the one that had ps3 behind by 2 mil and it got alot of press, I remember there being ps3 shortages around that time too, and again even with all you said I'm not seeing how VG chartz is accurate, they seem to be greatly biased towards the 360, I'm pretty sure next shipped numbers we get from MS and Sony will have a difference of 4-5 million at the most, instead of the 6-7 VG chartz has, when that happens would you maintain that Sony is over shipping again, for the 3rd or 4th time according to VG chartz


the difference of two to three million is from the q ending in june, we are days away from the next quarter ending, a quarter in which MS launched a new sku, and most likely shipped mass volumes of consoles. if you are right about VGC we would see it in octobers report from sony with say 5 million ps3s on shelves according to vgc. honestly i can see 2 million or 3 million on shelves, there was appoint in 07 when the 360 had close to 3.5 million  on shelves after christmas. MS shipping results reflected this by slowing down for half a year.

ill also reiterate i do not remember PS3 shortages this year. any mention of it by sony? they normally mention these things. a because it means they are selling better then expected or b because its nab explanation for missing targets if there are manufacturing difficulties

october will be a very telling month of reports for our current quarter,



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goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:

VG had the 360 sales at about 300k less then the amount MS said they shipped, and then a month or so later (not sure when just heard about it) they add 1 million to the 360 sales because of under tracking 4 years ago or something, so if they added it at any point before the shipped numbers for 360 came in, VG would have shown 700k more 360s sold then MS said were shipped (even if it sold that much in a month that would mean there are no 360s left in stores at all), and there were no reported shortages for 360s, where there were reported shortages of ps3s which had 2 million more shipped then VG had sold, which means VG chartz numbers are way off and inconsistent, as for the date of the report http://scrawlfx.com/2010/04/xbox-360-reaches-40-million-sold the article says april 23

thats for last 3rd quarter (srd q 2010) which ends for MS on march 30th sells through at the time on VGC are listed at 39.119k shipping from MS at 40.2k seems like a fair gap for me.

april 23 is when it was reported not when the figures are for. 

year for MS ends in june which is the Q i thought you were talking about earlier, hence why i mentioned they might be running it dry to make next years shipments look better. got another one for me

How do you know exactly what VG had it at back then, I remember it being .3 million or at least under a million, and even still your forgetting that they under-tracked it by 1 million 4 years ago and then added it a few months later, so thats still next to none in stores, when ps3 had the shortages with 2 million (plus the extra month) apparently in stores, so yeah anyway you look at it VG is wrong, they seem to be giving 360 more sales then it has and ignoring alot of ps3 sales 


vgc has an adjustments thread, please find it in there if you would. i looked up your number, and traced it. i do not remember the point in time your talking about, where it was over/under by 300k i do recal a major adjust ment for all three consoles this summer do to under tracking across the board around  year end for ms (june)

 

edit there were ps3 shortages this year? hmm i dont remember that. last year yes lots of them sporadically all year, but this year?

maybe I'm thinking of the wrong fiscal report, the one that had ps3 behind by 2 mil and it got alot of press, I remember there being ps3 shortages around that time too, and again even with all you said I'm not seeing how VG chartz is accurate, they seem to be greatly biased towards the 360, I'm pretty sure next shipped numbers we get from MS and Sony will have a difference of 4-5 million at the most, instead of the 6-7 VG chartz has, when that happens would you maintain that Sony is over shipping again, for the 3rd or 4th time according to VG chartz


the difference of two to three million is from the q ending in june, we are days away from the next quarter ending, a quarter in which MS launched a new sku, and most likely shipped mass volumes of consoles. if you are right about VGC we would see it in octobers report from sony with say 5 million ps3s on shelves according to vgc. honestly i can see 2 million or 3 million on shelves, there was appoint in 07 when the 360 had close to 3.5 million  on shelves after christmas. MS shipping results reflected this by slowing down for half a year.

ill also reiterate i do not remember PS3 shortages this year. any mention of it by sony? they normally mention these things. a because it means they are selling better then expected or b because its nab explanation for missing targets if there are manufacturing difficulties

october will be a very telling month of reports for our current quarter,

yeah the next report should settle it once and for all, as for shortages 

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/02/15/us-faces-ps3-shortage/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/12/sony-ps3-supply-to-be-tight-over-coming-months/



FIfa wins on PS3, Madden barely wins on 360 despite having a 10 million unit lead in NA. Need for Speed wins on PS3. Burnout wins on PS3. Dead Space wins on PS3. Fight Night is essentially a draw.

Shooters win on 360 and that isnt a shock consider it is 360 most popular genre and the most popular genre in the US where the 360 has a 10 million unit lead. 

Was EA foolish in claiming that Sony could win in the UK yep but were they foolish for supporting the PS3 fuck no.



theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:

thats for last 3rd quarter (srd q 2010) which ends for MS on march 30th sells through at the time on VGC are listed at 39.119k shipping from MS at 40.2k seems like a fair gap for me.

april 23 is when it was reported not when the figures are for. 

year for MS ends in june which is the Q i thought you were talking about earlier, hence why i mentioned they might be running it dry to make next years shipments look better. got another one for me

How do you know exactly what VG had it at back then, I remember it being .3 million or at least under a million, and even still your forgetting that they under-tracked it by 1 million 4 years ago and then added it a few months later, so thats still next to none in stores, when ps3 had the shortages with 2 million (plus the extra month) apparently in stores, so yeah anyway you look at it VG is wrong, they seem to be giving 360 more sales then it has and ignoring alot of ps3 sales 


vgc has an adjustments thread, please find it in there if you would. i looked up your number, and traced it. i do not remember the point in time your talking about, where it was over/under by 300k i do recal a major adjust ment for all three consoles this summer do to under tracking across the board around  year end for ms (june)

 

edit there were ps3 shortages this year? hmm i dont remember that. last year yes lots of them sporadically all year, but this year?

maybe I'm thinking of the wrong fiscal report, the one that had ps3 behind by 2 mil and it got alot of press, I remember there being ps3 shortages around that time too, and again even with all you said I'm not seeing how VG chartz is accurate, they seem to be greatly biased towards the 360, I'm pretty sure next shipped numbers we get from MS and Sony will have a difference of 4-5 million at the most, instead of the 6-7 VG chartz has, when that happens would you maintain that Sony is over shipping again, for the 3rd or 4th time according to VG chartz


the difference of two to three million is from the q ending in june, we are days away from the next quarter ending, a quarter in which MS launched a new sku, and most likely shipped mass volumes of consoles. if you are right about VGC we would see it in octobers report from sony with say 5 million ps3s on shelves according to vgc. honestly i can see 2 million or 3 million on shelves, there was appoint in 07 when the 360 had close to 3.5 million  on shelves after christmas. MS shipping results reflected this by slowing down for half a year.

ill also reiterate i do not remember PS3 shortages this year. any mention of it by sony? they normally mention these things. a because it means they are selling better then expected or b because its nab explanation for missing targets if there are manufacturing difficulties

october will be a very telling month of reports for our current quarter,

yeah the next report should settle it once and for all, as for shortages 

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/02/15/us-faces-ps3-shortage/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/12/sony-ps3-supply-to-be-tight-over-coming-months/

so that would be for first Q of the year. we can look at numbers here and then sonys numbers winter and spring shipping numbers. by summer that should have been cleared up or possible over shipping as a reaction to the shortage caused by holiday/slim/price cut demand of winter 09Q and ramping up of slim production.

 "Yes. The strong demand carrying through the holidays was evident and early in the month we [knew] there was going to be limited supply of the PS3 at retail in January. We're working closely with the retail channel to meet this demand, but expect tight supply for the coming months."
the above could be clear indication of an over correction in supply in the first half of the year ramped up production to meet an anticipated demand and over guessed it.as mentioned in my prior post this Q well be very informative, not only for sony, but for MS showing movement of its slim and nintendos slowdown in shipping

thank you for the link by the way. official sony and MS statements are always the best for comparison



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goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:
goddog said:
theonewhoisme said:

How do you know exactly what VG had it at back then, I remember it being .3 million or at least under a million, and even still your forgetting that they under-tracked it by 1 million 4 years ago and then added it a few months later, so thats still next to none in stores, when ps3 had the shortages with 2 million (plus the extra month) apparently in stores, so yeah anyway you look at it VG is wrong, they seem to be giving 360 more sales then it has and ignoring alot of ps3 sales 

vgc has an adjustments thread, please find it in there if you would. i looked up your number, and traced it. i do not remember the point in time your talking about, where it was over/under by 300k i do recal a major adjust ment for all three consoles this summer do to under tracking across the board around  year end for ms (june)

edit there were ps3 shortages this year? hmm i dont remember that. last year yes lots of them sporadically all year, but this year?

maybe I'm thinking of the wrong fiscal report, the one that had ps3 behind by 2 mil and it got alot of press, I remember there being ps3 shortages around that time too, and again even with all you said I'm not seeing how VG chartz is accurate, they seem to be greatly biased towards the 360, I'm pretty sure next shipped numbers we get from MS and Sony will have a difference of 4-5 million at the most, instead of the 6-7 VG chartz has, when that happens would you maintain that Sony is over shipping again, for the 3rd or 4th time according to VG chartz


the difference of two to three million is from the q ending in june, we are days away from the next quarter ending, a quarter in which MS launched a new sku, and most likely shipped mass volumes of consoles. if you are right about VGC we would see it in octobers report from sony with say 5 million ps3s on shelves according to vgc. honestly i can see 2 million or 3 million on shelves, there was appoint in 07 when the 360 had close to 3.5 million  on shelves after christmas. MS shipping results reflected this by slowing down for half a year.

ill also reiterate i do not remember PS3 shortages this year. any mention of it by sony? they normally mention these things. a because it means they are selling better then expected or b because its nab explanation for missing targets if there are manufacturing difficulties

october will be a very telling month of reports for our current quarter,

yeah the next report should settle it once and for all, as for shortages 

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/02/15/us-faces-ps3-shortage/

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/12/sony-ps3-supply-to-be-tight-over-coming-months/

so that would be for first Q of the year. we can look at numbers here and then sonys numbers winter and spring shipping numbers. by summer that should have been cleared up or possible over shipping as a reaction to the shortage caused by holiday/slim/price cut demand of winter 09Q and ramping up of slim production.

 "Yes. The strong demand carrying through the holidays was evident and early in the month we [knew] there was going to be limited supply of the PS3 at retail in January. We're working closely with the retail channel to meet this demand, but expect tight supply for the coming months."
the above could be clear indication of an over correction in supply in the first half of the year ramped up production to meet an anticipated demand and over guessed it.as mentioned in my prior post this Q well be very informative, not only for sony, but for MS showing movement of its slim and nintendos slowdown in shipping

thank you for the link by the way. official sony and MS statements are always the best for comparison

I remember people having trouble getting a ps3 months after that though, it was all over the forums, and again VG chartz had ps3 "over shipping" for a few Qs in a row from what I heard (didn't take notice until the 2 million behind) but yea if VG chartz is behind the ps3s shipped again I will have no doubt they are being biased towards MS and are very inaccurate



Hey, guys, can we scale back on the sheer number of quote boxes in a post? Some of your posts, for a single paragraph, take 7 pages for me to get to. This really is excessive, so please trim some. I'm going to go ahead and remove some now, myself. If you need help actually removing the boxes, feel free to ask me.



-dunno001

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