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leo-j on 09 December 2007

I still think the playstation 3 will end up on top. Once it is priced at $299.99 everyone will buy it.



 

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StarcraftManiac on 09 December 2007

Who cares what you think about the PS3's place this gen... This has nothing to do with it... Tryin to flame in my thread. Pfff...



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StarcraftManiac on 09 December 2007
leo-j said:
RolStoppable said:
nintendo_fanboy said:
misterd said:

In the tech business that may have been true, but Nintendo isn't pushing gear to the tech business. They're in the business of pushing consoles to the gaming market, which at the time in the US and EU (and is larely still today) males between the ages of 10-30 who saw a purple lunchpail as a reason to question one's sexual orientation. The perception then AND now remains that the GameCube was an underpowered system aimed at small children.

 

Now, if you put the color aside, I agree with everything you said. The hardware and proprietary disc format was a reason many felt Nintendo would be better able to compete last generation. Unfortunately, the color choice and other bad marketing decisions (Mario Sunshine's "Clean is better than dirty" commercial; swapping out a "realistic" Zelda for Celda) kept the Cube's numbers low. And I suspect the difficulty in pirating software may have hurt their market as well, as many markets are big on bootlegs. While this may hurt the developers, it also encourages console sales, and that's going to boost the overall market size for them.


There were some problems with the Cube, but you definitely can't say it was underpowered. It was only a little worse than the XBox which cost way more and it was actually better than the PS2, so you just can't call it underpowered.

He was talking about the perception. He is right, people are stupid.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/932984.asp

 


Wtf, a link to uncharted which has a 90% on Gamerankings?!... So THAT is your argument for saying PS2 is stronger than Gamecube?!... Tsss... Report!



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Canyarion on 09 December 2007

Like others said, I wonder how we can say the XBox won when we know that Microsoft lost millions on it, while Nintendo made millions with the Cube.



leo-j on 09 December 2007

@talonman

I was responding for rolstoppables signature, Im sorry if it caused anyone any harm?



 

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a.l.e.x59 on 09 December 2007
DarkNight_DS said:
misterd said:
DarkNight_DS said:
Kyros said:
Darknight I think no one is arguing against cubes per se. Just purple ones with kiddie toy look. And the xbox was weird too. But yes third-party support was probably the biggest problem

Purple was an IN color when the cube came out. It wasn't considered kiddie. I can show you a ton of equipment I had the pleasure of working with when the cube was released and it was all purple. For some reason tech companies liked purple. I blame SGI mostly... Actually a lot of it was Purple and looked very much like the GameCube, just a few more thermal fins and blue lights. The Cube may look kiddie now, but in 2001 the design was what everyone was going after in the tech business.


In the tech business that may have been true, but Nintendo isn't pushing gear to the tech business. They're in the business of pushing consoles to the gaming market, which at the time in the US and EU (and is larely still today) males between the ages of 10-30 who saw a purple lunchpail as a reason to question one's sexual orientation. The perception then AND now remains that the GameCube was an underpowered system aimed at small children.

 

Now, if you put the color aside, I agree with everything you said. The hardware and proprietary disc format was a reason many felt Nintendo would be better able to compete last generation. Unfortunately, the color choice and other bad marketing decisions (Mario Sunshine's "Clean is better than dirty" commercial; swapping out a "realistic" Zelda for Celda) kept the Cube's numbers low. And I suspect the difficulty in pirating software may have hurt their market as well, as many markets are big on bootlegs. While this may hurt the developers, it also encourages console sales, and that's going to boost the overall market size for them.


 How about this... the Cube lacked consistant game releases.  It was also a year too late to the party.  Plus Most users felt burned by the N64's slow releases.  I never once thought the cube was kiddy before I got it, I don't remember anyone my age saying it was kiddie (I'm 30 now).  People complained about it's release dates though and that I'd say was the worst thing about the cube.  Maybe kids said it looked kiddie ;)


There is no such thing as a "kiddie color," or "girly color." Pink, purple, and all other colors, existed for time indefinite, before humans were on the Earth.



Avinash_Tyagi on 09 December 2007
leo-j said:
I still think the playstation 3 will end up on top. Once it is priced at $299.99 everyone will buy it.

 Price alone won't save the PS3, it has to deliver experiences that cannot be found elsewhere and reach new markets, it doesn't have that capability



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

misterd on 09 December 2007
a.l.e.x59 said:
DarkNight_DS said:
misterd said:
DarkNight_DS said:
Kyros said:
Darknight I think no one is arguing against cubes per se. Just purple ones with kiddie toy look. And the xbox was weird too. But yes third-party support was probably the biggest problem

Purple was an IN color when the cube came out. It wasn't considered kiddie. I can show you a ton of equipment I had the pleasure of working with when the cube was released and it was all purple. For some reason tech companies liked purple. I blame SGI mostly... Actually a lot of it was Purple and looked very much like the GameCube, just a few more thermal fins and blue lights. The Cube may look kiddie now, but in 2001 the design was what everyone was going after in the tech business.


In the tech business that may have been true, but Nintendo isn't pushing gear to the tech business. They're in the business of pushing consoles to the gaming market, which at the time in the US and EU (and is larely still today) males between the ages of 10-30 who saw a purple lunchpail as a reason to question one's sexual orientation. The perception then AND now remains that the GameCube was an underpowered system aimed at small children.

 

Now, if you put the color aside, I agree with everything you said. The hardware and proprietary disc format was a reason many felt Nintendo would be better able to compete last generation. Unfortunately, the color choice and other bad marketing decisions (Mario Sunshine's "Clean is better than dirty" commercial; swapping out a "realistic" Zelda for Celda) kept the Cube's numbers low. And I suspect the difficulty in pirating software may have hurt their market as well, as many markets are big on bootlegs. While this may hurt the developers, it also encourages console sales, and that's going to boost the overall market size for them.


 How about this... the Cube lacked consistant game releases.  It was also a year too late to the party.  Plus Most users felt burned by the N64's slow releases.  I never once thought the cube was kiddy before I got it, I don't remember anyone my age saying it was kiddie (I'm 30 now).  People complained about it's release dates though and that I'd say was the worst thing about the cube.  Maybe kids said it looked kiddie ;)


There is no such thing as a "kiddie color," or "girly color." Pink, purple, and all other colors, existed for time indefinite, before humans were on the Earth.


But once we got here, we started labeling shit.  While the labels mean nothing save to those who apply them, the labels are, nonetheless, there, and many people are twits who will pay them heed.



Ari_Gold on 09 December 2007

i loved my gamecube, i don't care if it was in third place



a.l.e.x59 on 10 December 2007
misterd said:
a.l.e.x59 said:
DarkNight_DS said:
misterd said:
DarkNight_DS said:
Kyros said:
Darknight I think no one is arguing against cubes per se. Just purple ones with kiddie toy look. And the xbox was weird too. But yes third-party support was probably the biggest problem

Purple was an IN color when the cube came out. It wasn't considered kiddie. I can show you a ton of equipment I had the pleasure of working with when the cube was released and it was all purple. For some reason tech companies liked purple. I blame SGI mostly... Actually a lot of it was Purple and looked very much like the GameCube, just a few more thermal fins and blue lights. The Cube may look kiddie now, but in 2001 the design was what everyone was going after in the tech business.


In the tech business that may have been true, but Nintendo isn't pushing gear to the tech business. They're in the business of pushing consoles to the gaming market, which at the time in the US and EU (and is larely still today) males between the ages of 10-30 who saw a purple lunchpail as a reason to question one's sexual orientation. The perception then AND now remains that the GameCube was an underpowered system aimed at small children.

 

Now, if you put the color aside, I agree with everything you said. The hardware and proprietary disc format was a reason many felt Nintendo would be better able to compete last generation. Unfortunately, the color choice and other bad marketing decisions (Mario Sunshine's "Clean is better than dirty" commercial; swapping out a "realistic" Zelda for Celda) kept the Cube's numbers low. And I suspect the difficulty in pirating software may have hurt their market as well, as many markets are big on bootlegs. While this may hurt the developers, it also encourages console sales, and that's going to boost the overall market size for them.


 How about this... the Cube lacked consistant game releases.  It was also a year too late to the party.  Plus Most users felt burned by the N64's slow releases.  I never once thought the cube was kiddy before I got it, I don't remember anyone my age saying it was kiddie (I'm 30 now).  People complained about it's release dates though and that I'd say was the worst thing about the cube.  Maybe kids said it looked kiddie ;)


There is no such thing as a "kiddie color," or "girly color." Pink, purple, and all other colors, existed for time indefinite, before humans were on the Earth.


But once we got here, we started labeling shit.  While the labels mean nothing save to those who apply them, the labels are, nonetheless, there, and many people are twits who will pay them heed.


Mankind only "thinks" they can simply label shit. Colors exist as they are, and different points of view will not alter them at all. Besides, pink can look cool sometimes.