Homer_Simpson said:
Kantor said:
Homer_Simpson said:
Harold Wilson was a very good PM imo, only PM since WW2 who is better is Attlee.
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*coughThatchercough*
Yeah, yeah, I know, everyone hates Thatcher and yet bizzarely voted her in three times and repeatedly vote for her as one of the best PMs of the 20th century.
Interestingly, despite my clear hatred for the Labour Party, I would agree with you that Attlee was brilliant. He was from the age of a Labour Party that knew what the hell it was doing. I would put him below only Churchill and Thatcher for best PMs since WWII (if we can count Churchill's leadership during the war which, despite your Toryphobia, I hope you can acknowledge as brilliant and inspirational).
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Churchill was a great war leader, but he was not a good PM (in general terms)
Attlee's government created the welfare state after WW2 had devastated the UK, and whilst we had little money and lots of debt, it is probably the greatest achievement of the UK since WW2 was won in fact.
Thatcher was a vile creature, she raped and pillaged the state and the working class, the UK is still suffering from the mass inequality that she created.
Wilson was good because he stopped us from going to Vietnam with the yanks and his government gave people more social freedoms and civil liberties.
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Attlee did, however, fight the Greek Civil War despite an economic crisis. He was perhaps too determined to fight Communism. But yes, the setup of the welfare state and NHS was a high point for the Labour Party and for Britain, and the inevitable abuse and rape of the welfare state was a low point for both. Every brilliant scheme will have those who try to take advantage of it.
Thatcher... now call me elitist, but what she did was right. She gave the working class a good kick up the arse and told them to stop going on strike every week, she kept inflation extremely low during a financial crisis, unemployment was high but that was hardly her fault, she stood up to the imperialists in Europe, she crushed the trade unions, she won the Falklands War, and poll tax wasn't a brilliant idea but wasn't as bad as all Labour supporters make it out to be. It was basically Council Tax, just less socialist in nature.
If it wasn't for Thatcher's ruthless free market capitalism, Gordon would have destroyed this country long ago. Or perhaps he never would have come to power. Thatcher was an alternative to a far-left, disorganised and confused Labour party, and kept control of the country and made it prosper during some of the most difficult times since the Second World War. Then, as now, too many years of Labour had made the country weak and lazy, and it needed a good punch from the Conservative Party to get it up and working again. Cameron isn't providing that punch, but he can't, because the problems left by New Labour go beyond the broken mentality of the people.