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rf40928 said:

Halo Reach is an amazing game and I respect that you told GT fans to stop comparing.

I loved the PS2, but most of original PS1 fans are nearing their late 30's and probably not gaming as much as their kids are...and thats why old classics like FF and GT will probably not to as hot as they used to because the YOUNG and Coming crowd don't know the story lines of those games as the parents who discovered them did..

Those 10,12,14 year olds that ask mom and dads to buy games and consoles are more interested in the addiction of FPS's ..  The proof is in the stats - BOTH PS3 and Xbox - Best Selling titles FPS ! 

And since you brought up the topic of GT5 not outselling Reach, I completely agree.. PS3's best selling title COD MW2 sold like 8.4 million ? They have a smaller user base of console owners and if you go by GAME SALES HISTORY ALONE.. it would seem that the xb360 is way more then just 5.6 million consoles ahead of PS3.. why do i say that ? Because 360 has sold 120 Million more game units then PS3, equating to 8-9 BILLION DOLLARS !  Sony needs to see console gaming has shifted to the west ( I.e, Europe and America ) and start making titles catering to them a bit more ... You hear the hype about Sony has choices.. well those choices arent selling.. NHL 2011, NBA 2011 can be played on either console..Fable.. etc.. 360 actually has about 150 more titles then PS3, which destroys the myth Sony creates that XB360 only has shooters..  That myth exist because FPS's are whats hot and in the now.. My recommendation as a gaming fan to Sony: Create more great FPShooters.. they seem to be driving console sales.. Halo Reach double Xbox sales in UK and darn close to that 100% increase in USA for that same week of Halo Launch !

And now Xbox live is getting to role out the new improvements in Nov ! I think we can appreciate ESPN and the improvement to the online chat ( and in game chat ) which they are upgrading to impoved codecs - We'll all have clearer sounded voices, less static, etc.. Good Job Xbox TEAM

 

Yeah, except I actually like diversity, and no, Sony doesn't need to become Microsoft.

Also, where do you get that most PS1 fans are now in their late 30's?  I was a NES fan, a SNES fan, and a PS1 fan, and I'm not even 30.  Also, I like the line about the YOUNG and coming crowd not knowing the storyline for GT.  Classic.

 

On topic.  Halo Reach sold excellently.  That much is for sure.  What I think these numbers say is that the huge increase in hardware base for the 360 didn't lead to a huge increase (at least initially) in software sales for Reach.  Honestly, I don't think anyone should really be all that surprised.



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Michael-5 said:
enrageorange said:
BHR-3 said:
Smeags said:

I've noticed that when someone uses percentages rather than hard numbers, that said person is trying, for better or for worse, to twist the subject to better match his/her view on that same subject.

I mean, just ignore Halo: Reach's incredible 1st week sales numbers for a second and look at those much smaller percentages. For shame Halo: Reach! For shame!


pretty funny considering the hard numbers are there as well, but when you cant debate properly i guess thats to be expected, i put the % b/c last time i did a thread where i was comparing numbers (NPDvs VGC) posters asked me to add the %

not saying reachs numbers a shame, even i and many others included on this site had higher hopes 5-6M range hopes and those hopes shouldnt be considered as wishful thinking considering the massive user base increase from 3, unless something else is going on...

@ kirby wheres the math fail?

the thing that happened was call of duty. It took a lot of the casuals. A lot of people also had predictions on the far lower scale, but your right a lot of people expected a lot higher like myself. O well I'm glad I'm enjoying the game, and the sales still put almost everything else to shame.

I think People reviewed Reach more heavily then Halo 3. It's an amzing game, but mainly because of the 9 map (only), I've been seeing Halo get a lot lower ratings. Two websites I usually trust the review are IGN and Gametrailers, GT gave Halo 3 a 9.8, and Reach a 9.3, and IGN went from 9.6 to 9.5. On metacritic, Halo 3 had 9.4, Reach only has 9.2. Also I think Halo: Reach received a lot less media attention. Yes Mountain Dew still makes Halo logo'd drinks, but it no longer has it's line of power drinks.

Also the Halo 3 Spartan commercial was a lot better then the Reach Live Action commercial.

I think when Halo 3 came out, it was "THE" hyped HD game. Call of Duty was just starting to take off, PS3 offered much less competition (No uncharted or Killzone yet), Mass Effect wasn't out, and Bioshock was brand new. Outside the genre there was just a lot more to choose from.

I mean at least it did better then Resistance 2. Resistance 1 sold mega well because it was basically the only good game PS3 had on launch, Resistance 2 had alternatives to compete with ond only sold half as well.

Still as long as Halo: Reach sells strongly over time, it should still get higher overall sales then Halo 3, and maybe the 14 million I predicted (look at sig).

Resistance FOM was heavily bundled. Without counting the bundles, R2 sold just as well as RFOM.



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rf40928 said:

Halo Reach is an amazing game and I respect that you told GT fans to stop comparing.

I loved the PS2, but most of original PS1 fans are nearing their late 30's and probably not gaming as much as their kids are...and thats why old classics like FF and GT will probably not to as hot as they used to because the YOUNG and Coming crowd don't know the story lines of those games as the parents who discovered them did..

Those 10,12,14 year olds that ask mom and dads to buy games and consoles are more interested in the addiction of FPS's ..  The proof is in the stats - BOTH PS3 and Xbox - Best Selling titles FPS ! 

And since you brought up the topic of GT5 not outselling Reach, I completely agree.. PS3's best selling title COD MW2 sold like 8.4 million ? They have a smaller user base of console owners and if you go by GAME SALES HISTORY ALONE.. it would seem that the xb360 is way more then just 5.6 million consoles ahead of PS3.. why do i say that ? Because 360 has sold 120 Million more game units then PS3, equating to 8-9 BILLION DOLLARS !  Sony needs to see console gaming has shifted to the west ( I.e, Europe and America ) and start making titles catering to them a bit more ... You hear the hype about Sony has choices.. well those choices arent selling.. NHL 2011, NBA 2011 can be played on either console..Fable.. etc.. 360 actually has about 150 more titles then PS3, which destroys the myth Sony creates that XB360 only has shooters..  That myth exist because FPS's are whats hot and in the now.. My recommendation as a gaming fan to Sony: Create more great FPShooters.. they seem to be driving console sales.. Halo Reach double Xbox sales in UK and darn close to that 100% increase in USA for that same week of Halo Launch !

And now Xbox live is getting to role out the new improvements in Nov ! I think we can appreciate ESPN and the improvement to the online chat ( and in game chat ) which they are upgrading to impoved codecs - We'll all have clearer sounded voices, less static, etc.. Good Job Xbox TEAM


I'm sorry but I don't see your point here. I grew up on the SNES then PS1, PS2, and now PS3 and I'm like 15, I still think a lot of PS1 fans are young, although more likely in their late teens to early twenties.





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Barozi said:

Resistance FOM was heavily bundled. Without counting the bundles, R2 sold just as well as RFOM.

Was Resistance heavily bundled? I assumed people just bought Resistance at launch since it was the only really good game to be released until Motorstorm, and then after that it took about a year for the console to take off SW-wise.



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Michael-5 said:
Barozi said:

Resistance FOM was heavily bundled. Without counting the bundles, R2 sold just as well as RFOM.

Was Resistance heavily bundled? I assumed people just bought Resistance at launch since it was the only really good game to be released until Motorstorm, and then after that it took about a year for the console to take off SW-wise.


It actually was some places, when I got my PS3 it came with Resistance and Motorstorm.



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Also in the original post, you said most people who grew up on the PS1 are heading into their late 30's. PS1 was only 10 years ago, how old were these people in the PS1 era? I think late teens to late 20's is more accurate for the PS1 era of gamers.

Late 30's, lol, that would mean these people grew up on Pong. I mean only 25 years ago the NES came out...



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Michael-5 said:
Barozi said:

Resistance FOM was heavily bundled. Without counting the bundles, R2 sold just as well as RFOM.

Was Resistance heavily bundled? I assumed people just bought Resistance at launch since it was the only really good game to be released until Motorstorm, and then after that it took about a year for the console to take off SW-wise.


It actually was some places, when I got my PS3 it came with Resistance and Motorstorm.

I know Motorstorm was bundled when they upgraded the hard-drive, but I don't remember any Resistance bundle. If it was bundled, I bet it was bundled late after launch. Still R2 sold significantly less the R1:FOM, I don't think the difference was just bundles, but more competition as well.



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Michael-5 said:
Barozi said:

Resistance FOM was heavily bundled. Without counting the bundles, R2 sold just as well as RFOM.

Was Resistance heavily bundled? I assumed people just bought Resistance at launch since it was the only really good game to be released until Motorstorm, and then after that it took about a year for the console to take off SW-wise.

Every new game sony puts out is heavily bundled, MS should do that with Alan Wake and Crackdown 2.