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Seece on 21 September 2010
SaviorX said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.


You heard it here first folks, a $299 console with GT5 to arrive in November is dead, dead I tell you.

I've never read so much biased drivel in all my life, and that's saying something for this forum lol

You of all people should not be judging ANYONE for biased drivel Seece. It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

As for this issue, a $300 PS3 with GT5 is something I cannot really accurately predict.When it comes to the PS3, often times I find myself underestimating it. However, after GT5, what is there? Price drops? Even if GT5 sold 60% as fast as NSMB or MW2: 360 did, how much of an extended HW boost will it provide for the PS3?

People place way too much stock in GT5. Now granted, we cannot see how well Move will benefit the PS3 after only one measly week, so Metallicube did jump the gun, but I don't see it rejuvenating PS3 sales to astronomical levels and keeping it that way either.

I give all consoles a fair shot ta very much. I certainly don't spew rubbish like that on here ...



 

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johnglen on 21 September 2010
Jadedx said:
Reasonable said:
BenVTrigger said:
steverhcp02 said:
BenVTrigger said:

Halo Reach is a JUGGERNAUT.  Major impact on hardware as I've been predicting for MONTHS even though people kept saying "Everyone who likes Halo already owns a 360.".

And PS3 above Wii 0_0

Nintendo is in trouble this holiday in regards to being a "dominant" system, especially with Kinect coming in November.


Actually i think people saying that have a more compelling argument as Reach only increased 50k over Halo 3.

If we had any idea of how many LE consoles sold or how many were produced for the region we could have a pretty good debate from both sides. But a few years after Halo 3 and a pretty even amount of Halo software i think its pretty safe to say the fanbase for Reach remained relatively flat all things considered.

Doesnt take anything away form the sales though. Its still ridiculous but anytime theres a LE bundle we have no idea other than tracking the software how many new users are gaming.

There were people all over this site claiming that Reach would move barely any hardware.  Its already provided a major jump and that is in EMEAA in America Halo and Xbox is a far stronger brand and will see a MAJOR increase.

Halo Reach is a massive hardware pusher.  This isn't up for debate.

Reach moved HW, no doubt about it, but to be fair I think when people talked about moving HW they were thinking new owners - i.e. the title would expand the Halo user base and with it the 360 install base.

With Halo Reach selling almost identically to Halo 3 the evidence strongly suggests the HW boost is mainly existing owners either buying Reach bundles or buying a 360s for Reach.

So, a nice HW boost for sure which MS will like, but going by the SW not that much of a growth in actual Halo install base so the HW boost should be both temporary and have little impact on forward SW - i.e. not that many new owners.

Still, a pretty decent boost nonetheless.  It's a pity there is no way to split the sales into regular and Reach edition consoles, though.

Looking elsewhere Wii continuing to dip slowly while PS3 gets a small boost from Move, which I didn't expect.  I figured with the September launch and fairly muted avertising in Europe it would sell mainly to existing owners - although I suppose it did, but I wasn't even expecting 15%.

I'll be curious to see how Kinect fares launching closer to the holiday season.

I stopped reading after that, that same stupid montra is getting really annoying. I bet people are gonna be spouting that BS 2 or 3 years from now.

Agreed. This new memo from sony fanboys is both pathetic and silly . The 360 has the best tie-ratio , in spite of piracy , and that tie ratio would be dropping if the same people were buying xboxes again and again .The number of people that are re-buying the console are a few thousand worldwide , the vast majority of people isn't buying a new console because....it looks better or is more quiet or has wi-fi.



Metallicube on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.


You heard it here first folks, a $299 console with GT5 to arrive in November is dead, dead I tell you.

I've never read so much biased drivel in all my life, and that's saying something for this forum lol

It's crazy that people haven't realize that MS is not Sony. MS will do whatever it takes to make Kinect sussessful, it's going to be everywhere, and the media will advertise this thing for being "new". If anyone think Kinect won't do well, they are in for big disapointment.

Yup, if it's noot up to scratch sales will start diving after it's 2nd holiday season, if it's received similarly to Wii then I havn't got a clue. But tbh, I see Kinect and Move both having much stronger line ups for xmas 2011, and both having price cuts, and there being nothing Nintendo can do except release the Wii 2.

And no, don't somebody pipe in about 3DS, I'm talking about home consoles.


To be fair Seece I see the 3DS hurting the Wii  morethan MS or Sony. When your handheld seems more powerful than your console, and get support that Wii will never get, this is not going to be a good thing.

You're right, it targets the same demographic, the people that want the latest craze.

It just dawned on me, X360 and PS3 also share the benefit of being mainly core consoles, it's been gamers that have been buying them up until now, that'll see they outlast Wii .... gamers are more loyal than perhaps people that wernt gamers this gen ... a nice way to put it lol.

Of course the 360 and PS3 are going to enjoy casuals buying the systems now, but they'll still be attracting what gamers love about consoles.

Again, to think 360 and PS3 are guarenteed to outlast the Wii is very shortsighted. Nothing is guarenteed. I suppose they could outlast it, but Nintendo will have to either cut the life short by releasing a new console before them, OR compeltely stop releasing games that people want to buy (which essentially happened the first 9 months of this year). Being more of a "core console" (whatever that means) has nothing to do with it. 



Seece on 21 September 2010
Metallicube said:
Seece said:

You're right, it targets the same demographic, the people that want the latest craze.

It just dawned on me, X360 and PS3 also share the benefit of being mainly core consoles, it's been gamers that have been buying them up until now, that'll see they outlast Wii .... gamers are more loyal than perhaps people that wernt gamers this gen ... a nice way to put it lol.

Of course the 360 and PS3 are going to enjoy casuals buying the systems now, but they'll still be attracting what gamers love about consoles.

Again, to think 360 and PS3 are guarenteed to outlast the Wii is very shortsighted. Nothing is guarenteed. I suppose they could outlast it, but Nintendo will have to either cut the life short by releasing a new console before them, OR compeltely stop releasing games that people want to buy (which essentially happened the first 9 months of this year). Being more of a "core console" (whatever that means) has nothing to do with it. 

Didn't even bring the word guaranteed into this .. I certainly don't think it is.

And being a core console has everything to do with it, it's why PS2 has lasted so long, and why Wii won't follow a similar path.



 

SaviorX on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
SaviorX said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.


You heard it here first folks, a $299 console with GT5 to arrive in November is dead, dead I tell you.

I've never read so much biased drivel in all my life, and that's saying something for this forum lol

You of all people should not be judging ANYONE for biased drivel Seece. It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

As for this issue, a $300 PS3 with GT5 is something I cannot really accurately predict.When it comes to the PS3, often times I find myself underestimating it. However, after GT5, what is there? Price drops? Even if GT5 sold 60% as fast as NSMB or MW2: 360 did, how much of an extended HW boost will it provide for the PS3?

People place way too much stock in GT5. Now granted, we cannot see how well Move will benefit the PS3 after only one measly week, so Metallicube did jump the gun, but I don't see it rejuvenating PS3 sales to astronomical levels and keeping it that way either.

I give all consoles a fair shot ta very much. I certainly don't spew rubbish like that on here ...

I am not going to argue with you, but I don't believe that for a second. It seems like you are using a cap pistol to shoot for one console and an army tank to give a "fair shot" to another. Either way, I haven't seen such fairness so you are gonna have to point it out to me. Where is it?

Now to get back on-topic, what did Metallicube say that I didn't touch on which was so offbase?



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Maynard_Tool on 21 September 2010

Hahahahah funny thread... some spins! there, some crow eating over there xD love it.

 

Halo Reach did amazing, in terms of unit solds and X360 sold... and people said that it wasnt going to move any units A lot of crow has been eaten today.

 

And move... well, pretty meh. Not awful, but not good. I guess it balances out more bad than good.... But people will claim it was expected, so it is good and there's not really a point to argue because Sony is known for low expectations this gen, just look at the Pspgo!....

 

Oh well.... following weeks should be interesting



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Seece on 21 September 2010
SaviorX said:
Seece said:
SaviorX said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.


You heard it here first folks, a $299 console with GT5 to arrive in November is dead, dead I tell you.

I've never read so much biased drivel in all my life, and that's saying something for this forum lol

You of all people should not be judging ANYONE for biased drivel Seece. It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

As for this issue, a $300 PS3 with GT5 is something I cannot really accurately predict.When it comes to the PS3, often times I find myself underestimating it. However, after GT5, what is there? Price drops? Even if GT5 sold 60% as fast as NSMB or MW2: 360 did, how much of an extended HW boost will it provide for the PS3?

People place way too much stock in GT5. Now granted, we cannot see how well Move will benefit the PS3 after only one measly week, so Metallicube did jump the gun, but I don't see it rejuvenating PS3 sales to astronomical levels and keeping it that way either.

I give all consoles a fair shot ta very much. I certainly don't spew rubbish like that on here ...

I am not going to argue with you, but I don't believe that for a second. It seems like you are using a cap pistol to shoot for one console and an army tank to give a "fair shot" to another. Either way, I haven't seen such fairness so you are gonna have to point it out to me. Where is it?

Now to get back on-topic, what did Metallicube say that I didn't touch on which was so offbase?

Do you mean in this thread? or in my post history? Cos I aint dredging through 11k posts to apease you ...

I've given my reasons why I think the HD consoles will outlast Wii. I'm not the one stating a console is dead or gonna drop off the face of the earth, his reasoning is pretty bad to boot. (actually did he give any real reasoning, more so sounds like wishful thinking.)



 

johnglen on 21 September 2010
Maynard_Tool said:

Hahahahah funny thread... some spins! there, some crow eating over there xD love it.

 

Halo Reach did amazing, in terms of unit solds and X360 sold... and people said that it wasnt going to move any units A lot of crow has been eaten today.

 

And move... well, pretty meh. Not awful, but not good. I guess it balances out more bad than good.... But people will claim it was expected, so it is good and there's not really a point to argue because Sony is known for low expectations this gen, just look at the Pspgo!....

 

Oh well.... following weeks should be interesting

The problem with the "slow burner" theory for move is that i don't see this thing boosting ps3 hardware sales at all and i believe that the comparison with what kinect will do will be preety damning.



FlyingLotus on 21 September 2010

GT5 sales would probably topple halo reach sales in EU but this is crazy good.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

SaviorX on 21 September 2010
Seece said:

I give all consoles a fair shot ta very much. I certainly don't spew rubbish like that on here ...

I am not going to argue with you, but I don't believe that for a second. It seems like you are using a cap pistol to shoot for one console and an army tank to give a "fair shot" to another. Either way, I haven't seen such fairness so you are gonna have to point it out to me. Where is it?

Now to get back on-topic, what did Metallicube say that I didn't touch on which was so offbase?

Do you mean in this thread? or in my post history? Cos I aint dredging through 11k posts to apease you ...

I've given my reasons why I think the HD consoles will outlast Wii. I'm not the one stating a console is dead or gonna drop off the face of the earth, his reasoning is pretty bad to boot. (actually did he give any real reasoning, more so sounds like wishful thinking.)

Your reasons don't hold much weight either. Now, this gen has been nuts when it comes to consoles defying trends and history, but do you seriously think, the PS3 or 360 will outsell the Wii in any given years to come? When you say outlast, by how long? By how much? When the successors release, unless the Wii is totally obsolete, history will strike again and it will still sell despite a new console being out. There is nothing pointing to the Wii dropping off the face of the earth except your wishful thinking. Throughout those 11k posts I know there was a LOT of it.

And what if they do outsell the Wii in....2012 or 2013? You think Nintendo will wait until the 3DS has been out for 2 years before dropping a successor? Signs point to Ninty moving on in Japan at the end of 2011 or beginning of 2012 the latest. Getting the early jump on 3rd party support means everything to them right now. The console war is over; any sales after this point is just petty bragging rights, something gaming can use a lot less of.

You think Sony can weather a PS4 around that time (11/11 ; 3/12) after all this investment into Move?



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."