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psrock on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.


You heard it here first folks, a $299 console with GT5 to arrive in November is dead, dead I tell you.

I've never read so much biased drivel in all my life, and that's saying something for this forum lol

It's crazy that people haven't realize that MS is not Sony. MS will do whatever it takes to make Kinect sussessful, it's going to be everywhere, and the media will advertise this thing for being "new". If anyone think Kinect won't do well, they are in for big disapointment.

Yup, if it's noot up to scratch sales will start diving after it's 2nd holiday season, if it's received similarly to Wii then I havn't got a clue. But tbh, I see Kinect and Move both having much stronger line ups for xmas 2011, and both having price cuts, and there being nothing Nintendo can do except release the Wii 2.

And no, don't somebody pipe in about 3DS, I'm talking about home consoles.


To be fair Seece I see the 3DS hurting the Wii  morethan MS or Sony. When your handheld seems more powerful than your console, and get support that Wii will never get, this is not going to be a good thing.



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algorith on 21 September 2010

 I guess this disproves the theory that "everyone who wanted Halo already had a 360". Funny how often I see that thrown around only to see Halo pushing systems later on. 



Seece on 21 September 2010
Metallicube said:
Seece said:
Metallicube said:
steverhcp02 said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.

I would say its packed it in you HOPE. Id hardly say the Move launch in September is evidence of a burial by any means considering the PS3 has yet to drop below $299 yet.

I don't think a price drop is going to magically boost the PS3 up to PS2 levels. If the PS3 lacks games that appeal to the average consumer a price drop isn't going to change that. Also, I didn't say it would die after 5 years, but I think it's pretty reasonable to believe that it will decline after that, as the other two consoles will. Though much of that depends on how much Sony plans on supporting the console. If they are really serious about their "10 year plan"and don't release PS4 until 2016 while providing a steady supply of PS3 games, then I guess it could still go on strong for awhile longer. But it remains to be seen if the console will actually sell for 10 years.

Notice nobody got upset when I mentioned that will will be in major decline next year. God forbid say anything that might be negative about the mighty PS3.

It's more logical Wii will be in decline next year though, even I think PS3 sales will boom again when it hits $199. I think Where Microsoft and Sony try harder they'll reap the benefits and both outlast the Wii. IMO

The console that sells the most usually lasts the longest. I'm just going with common sense. People still make the mistake of believing that more powerful hardware = longer lifespan when history hasn't proven this at all. In fact, it generally shows the opposite is true. As I said, ultimately Sony will be the main factor as to how long the PS3 lasts, as will Nintendo with Wii. If they keep releasing compelling games for their consoles and don't cut the life short by releasing a new one, they could last longer.

I didn't say 360 and PS3 will outlast Wii because of HW, I remember the PS2 days. I said effort, which I think MS and Sony have in buckets this gen.

About your first comment, in what gen has the 2nd place console taken the lead for 3 solid months? Point is, this gen is throwing the rule book out the window.



 

GuyDuke on 21 September 2010
Beuli2 said:
guiduc said:
Beuli2 said:

Nintendo really screwd up (yet again) their mommentum by releasing bad software...

Intead of releasing games like Galaxy the Lost levels and Metroid: Sakamoto's Crap Version, they should launch games that continued their momentum, now it's gonna be hard for them to recover.

If they hadn't screwd up so badly, they would be above the the PS3 and 360 in the last weeks (excluding this week for the XBox360)

shut up. Galaxy 2 is rated higher than Halo Reach and in fact, is the second highest rated game of the generation behind its own predecessor.

Here comes the crazy dude that doesn't even try to read what I say and I don't have patience enought to explain what I already said.

Also, what's up with NSMB DS up there?

Edit: I'm going to explain to you because I have nothing better to do:

I don't  give a shit to either Galaxy 2 or Reach scores, because I don't trust reviews since they are biased and easily can be paid to favor a game. And you know I mean that they didn't release aboslutely no software to sell Wiis. The Wii has been selling on games already released last year, none of the games released this year helped it. Then you wonder "OMG Wii is so low...". It's Nintendo and only Nintendo fault for releasing uninteressant software that keeps the audience excited to buy a Wii.

Of course, it's all Nintendo's fault if dumbass third parties are even able to create a decent game while it is cheaper to create a great game on a Nintendo console, Galaxy was amazing but Nintendo doesn't sell a lot on FW, but on lifetime... Wii numbers are not low, they are more thank ok, even PS3 struggles to get above it with good software and Move releasing. The Xbox360 was dead last year, they are lucky the new model worked and that there are still millions of sheeps buying each Halo game.

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steverhcp02 on 21 September 2010
algorith said:

 I guess this disproves the theory that "everyone who wanted Halo already had a 360". Funny how often I see that thrown around only to see Halo pushing systems later on. 


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Metallicube on 21 September 2010
BHR-3 said:
psrock said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.


You heard it here first folks, a $299 console with GT5 to arrive in November is dead, dead I tell you.

really? what about next year with possibly a $199 console? i dont have that shit in the sig for nothing

i see wii sales picking up a bit after this so call lull but not by much, Leo-J might regain his status after losing PS3>120k and GTA4 killing the wii and whatever else he failed with so good for him

agreed about the wii in steady decline for 2011 dont think it will take the top spot next year for total WW sales either

It could, but it depends entirely on Nintendo. If they go sit back and allow Wii to go through another 9 month dry period like this year, (in which its biggest two titles were a Mario Galaxy Sequel and a weird Metroid spinoff with little appeal) then Wii will be in major trouble, but if Vitality Sensor takes off, and Nintendo keeps a steady stream of games that people will want to buy, who knows, Wii could continue to go strong, perhaps even stronger than this year.

People seem to think PS3 is guarenteed to carry on strong for years and Wii is guarenteed to fall very soon, but at the end of the day it'll all boil down to the games.



Seece on 21 September 2010
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:

It's crazy that people haven't realize that MS is not Sony. MS will do whatever it takes to make Kinect sussessful, it's going to be everywhere, and the media will advertise this thing for being "new". If anyone think Kinect won't do well, they are in for big disapointment.

Yup, if it's noot up to scratch sales will start diving after it's 2nd holiday season, if it's received similarly to Wii then I havn't got a clue. But tbh, I see Kinect and Move both having much stronger line ups for xmas 2011, and both having price cuts, and there being nothing Nintendo can do except release the Wii 2.

And no, don't somebody pipe in about 3DS, I'm talking about home consoles.


To be fair Seece I see the 3DS hurting the Wii  morethan MS or Sony. When your handheld seems more powerful than your console, and get support that Wii will never get, this is not going to be a good thing.

You're right, it targets the same demographic, the people that want the latest craze.

It just dawned on me, X360 and PS3 also share the benefit of being mainly core consoles, it's been gamers that have been buying them up until now, that'll see they outlast Wii .... gamers are more loyal than perhaps people that wernt gamers this gen ... a nice way to put it lol.

Of course the 360 and PS3 are going to enjoy casuals buying the systems now, but they'll still be attracting what gamers love about consoles.



 

SaviorX on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
psrock said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.


You heard it here first folks, a $299 console with GT5 to arrive in November is dead, dead I tell you.

I've never read so much biased drivel in all my life, and that's saying something for this forum lol

You of all people should not be judging ANYONE for biased drivel Seece. It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

As for this issue, a $300 PS3 with GT5 is something I cannot really accurately predict.When it comes to the PS3, often times I find myself underestimating it. However, after GT5, what is there? Price drops? Even if GT5 sold 60% as fast as NSMB or MW2: 360 did, how much of an extended HW boost will it provide for the PS3?

People place way too much stock in GT5. Now granted, we cannot see how well Move will benefit the PS3 after only one measly week, so Metallicube did jump the gun, but I don't see it rejuvenating PS3 sales to astronomical levels and keeping it that way either.



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Metallicube on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
Metallicube said:
Seece said:
Metallicube said:
steverhcp02 said:
Metallicube said:

PS3 has pretty much packed it in I think. The Move as I expected, had a very minimal impact on sales, and Sony has used up most of their cards. MS can milk the 360 a little longer, despite being a year older, with the new console model, Halo Reach, and Kinect. While I don't think Kinect will have a lasting impact either, it will provide a much bigger initial spike in hardware than Move.

Wii is entering the final weeks of its lull until starting to pick up for the holdiay season and the onslaught of Wii titles for Q4, with Kirby, Goldeneye, Wii Party, Just Dance 2, Epic Mickey, DKC, Carnival Games 2, NBA Jam, etc.  Wii has suffered this year having to rely almost entirely on the continued lift of NSMB, considering it basically had no hardware movers this year. While Wii will definitly have huge sales again this holiday, I think it is starting to age, and will be in pretty steady decline after the holiday. Though at the same time, I honestly don't see the HD consoles lasting too far beyond the typical 5-6 year cycle either, especially if Move and Kinect are flops like I expect.

I would say its packed it in you HOPE. Id hardly say the Move launch in September is evidence of a burial by any means considering the PS3 has yet to drop below $299 yet.

I don't think a price drop is going to magically boost the PS3 up to PS2 levels. If the PS3 lacks games that appeal to the average consumer a price drop isn't going to change that. Also, I didn't say it would die after 5 years, but I think it's pretty reasonable to believe that it will decline after that, as the other two consoles will. Though much of that depends on how much Sony plans on supporting the console. If they are really serious about their "10 year plan"and don't release PS4 until 2016 while providing a steady supply of PS3 games, then I guess it could still go on strong for awhile longer. But it remains to be seen if the console will actually sell for 10 years.

Notice nobody got upset when I mentioned that will will be in major decline next year. God forbid say anything that might be negative about the mighty PS3.

It's more logical Wii will be in decline next year though, even I think PS3 sales will boom again when it hits $199. I think Where Microsoft and Sony try harder they'll reap the benefits and both outlast the Wii. IMO

The console that sells the most usually lasts the longest. I'm just going with common sense. People still make the mistake of believing that more powerful hardware = longer lifespan when history hasn't proven this at all. In fact, it generally shows the opposite is true. As I said, ultimately Sony will be the main factor as to how long the PS3 lasts, as will Nintendo with Wii. If they keep releasing compelling games for their consoles and don't cut the life short by releasing a new one, they could last longer.

I didn't say 360 and PS3 will outlast Wii because of HW, I remember the PS2 days. I said effort, which I think MS and Sony have in buckets this gen.

About your first comment, in what gen has the 2nd place console taken the lead for 3 solid months? Point is, this gen is throwing the rule book out the window.

I can't argue with you there. Anything can really happen from here, but essentially it'll all depend on the games. The first 9 months of the year, Wii had a really bad drought (at least of hardware movers), but that is going to change come October. Whether it stays that way next year remains to be seen.



Seece on 21 September 2010
Metallicube said:
Seece said:
Metallicube said:

The console that sells the most usually lasts the longest. I'm just going with common sense. People still make the mistake of believing that more powerful hardware = longer lifespan when history hasn't proven this at all. In fact, it generally shows the opposite is true. As I said, ultimately Sony will be the main factor as to how long the PS3 lasts, as will Nintendo with Wii. If they keep releasing compelling games for their consoles and don't cut the life short by releasing a new one, they could last longer.

I didn't say 360 and PS3 will outlast Wii because of HW, I remember the PS2 days. I said effort, which I think MS and Sony have in buckets this gen.

About your first comment, in what gen has the 2nd place console taken the lead for 3 solid months? Point is, this gen is throwing the rule book out the window.

I can't argue with you there. Anything can really happen from here, but essentially it'll all depend on the games. The first 9 months of the year, Wii had a really bad drought (at least of hardware movers), but that is going to change come October. Whether it stays that way next year remains to be seen.

Ya, you're aware SW does less and less as the years go by? Do you expect Nintendo to throw out a certain game every xmas and sales go boom?

But then I guess we're divided on what actually drove sales last xmas ...