Actually i think people saying that have a more compelling argument as Reach only increased 50k over Halo 3.

If we had any idea of how many LE consoles sold or how many were produced for the region we could have a pretty good debate from both sides. But a few years after Halo 3 and a pretty even amount of Halo software i think its pretty safe to say the fanbase for Reach remained relatively flat all things considered.

Doesnt take anything away form the sales though. Its still ridiculous but anytime theres a LE bundle we have no idea other than tracking the software how many new users are gaming.

There were people all over this site claiming that Reach would move barely any hardware.  Its already provided a major jump and that is in EMEAA in America Halo and Xbox is a far stronger brand and will see a MAJOR increase.

Halo Reach is a massive hardware pusher.  This isn't up for debate.

Actually i think people saying that have a more compelling argument as Reach only increased 50k over Halo 3.

If we had any idea of how many LE consoles sold or how many were produced for the region we could have a pretty good debate from both sides. But a few years after Halo 3 and a pretty even amount of Halo software i think its pretty safe to say the fanbase for Reach remained relatively flat all things considered.

Doesnt take anything away form the sales though. Its still ridiculous but anytime theres a LE bundle we have no idea other than tracking the software how many new users are gaming.

Reach moved HW, no doubt about it, but to be fair I think when people talked about moving HW they were thinking new owners - i.e. the title would expand the Halo user base and with it the 360 install base.

With Halo Reach selling almost identically to Halo 3 the evidence strongly suggests the HW boost is mainly existing owners either buying Reach bundles or buying a 360s for Reach.

So, a nice HW boost for sure which MS will like, but going by the SW not that much of a growth in actual Halo install base so the HW boost should be both temporary and have little impact on forward SW - i.e. not that many new owners.

Still, a pretty decent boost nonetheless.  It's a pity there is no way to split the sales into regular and Reach edition consoles, though.

Looking elsewhere Wii continuing to dip slowly while PS3 gets a small boost from Move, which I didn't expect.  I figured with the September launch and fairly muted avertising in Europe it would sell mainly to existing owners - although I suppose it did, but I wasn't even expecting 15%.

I'll be curious to see how Kinect fares launching closer to the holiday season.

Reach moved HW, no doubt about it, but to be fair I think when people talked about moving HW they were thinking new owners - i.e. the title would expand the Halo user base and with it the 360 install base.

With Halo Reach selling almost identically to Halo 3 the evidence strongly suggests the HW boost is mainly existing owners either buying Reach bundles or buying a 360s for Reach.

So, a nice HW boost for sure which MS will like, but going by the SW not that much of a growth in actual Halo install base so the HW boost should be both temporary and have little impact on forward SW - i.e. not that many new owners.

Still, a pretty decent boost nonetheless.  It's a pity there is no way to split the sales into regular and Reach edition consoles, though.

Looking elsewhere Wii continuing to dip slowly while PS3 gets a small boost from Move, which I didn't expect.  I figured with the September launch and fairly muted avertising in Europe it would sell mainly to existing owners - although I suppose it did, but I wasn't even expecting 15%.

I'll be curious to see how Kinect fares launching closer to the holiday season.