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Euphoria14 on 21 September 2010

You know why this isn't only wrong but is also incredibly stupid?

 

MS has stated time and time again that they are once again backing the PC market with Fable 3, GFWL, etc... and then they go and say stupid shit like this.



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ramses01 on 21 September 2010
Doobie_wop said:
Darth Tigris said:
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:

Seriously, man, you're the only person here that is not acting reactionary.  

Kudo is likely a very smart guy to have gotten where he is, so paying attention to what he MEANS is the most important thing.  Instead overly sensitive gamer types here respond like he called their mother a ho.  Same thing on Kotaku and neoGAF.  Sad state we're in ...

Thing is, when you're in his position, you can't make such blundering PR statements as the gaming media feed on this stuff.

His overall point may have been somewhat valid but he has to choose his words more carefully. At the end of the day, that single sentence is false, even if his overall point is valid.

But what he said isn't factually wrong, just a quick generalization.  If we look at just sales, is it wrong to say that 90 % of FPS games sales are on the consoles?  This is VGChartz.  It wouldn't take much to settle that.  Unless PC game sales aren't tracked for some strange reason . . .

PC games aren't tracked.... I don't get what your trying to say. Unless you have some sort of proof to back your percentage, then your generalization is irrelevant. He also said that 'hardly' anyone plays FPS on PC anymore, which isn't true at all, if over 500,000 people play FPS on PC's a day, then I don't think that is an insignificant amount. I'd even go so far as to say that more people play PC FPS online than PS3 FPS online and yet I'd bet that if we cancelled out all the FPS sales that the PS3 sales have gotten this gen, it make FPS on consoles much more insignificant. The FPS genre on PC is still popular and just because consoles  have a couple of big FPS's (Halo and COD), it doesn't negate the PC's big FPS's (TF2, Crysis, Counter Strike, Left 4 Dead 1 &2, Battlefield etc). Kudo is an ass, people should stop defending his every word just because he backs the console they prefer.

OK, I will give you the 500,000 per day playing PC FPS.  The level is far below what I would have called hardly.  That is closer to a pittance than hardly anyone.  I would even consider 1,000,000 per day hardly.  Also, I would only consider FPSes launched in the past year or so as that is all that is relevant to the discussion, which is about current trends.



Matjes on 21 September 2010

The Pc is still the best Platform for playing FPS...
And I am saying this as a ps3 and xbox360 owner



Machiavellian on 21 September 2010
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:
Doobie_wop said:
Darth Tigris said:

But what he said isn't factually wrong, just a quick generalization.  If we look at just sales, is it wrong to say that 90 % of FPS games sales are on the consoles?  This is VGChartz.  It wouldn't take much to settle that.  Unless PC game sales aren't tracked for some strange reason . . .

PC games aren't tracked.... I don't get what your trying to say. Unless you have some sort of proof to back your percentage, then your generalization is irrelevant. He also said that 'hardly' anyone plays FPS on PC anymore, which isn't true at all, if over 500,000 people play FPS on PC's a day, then I don't think that is an insignificant amount. I'd even go so far as to say that more people play PC FPS online than PS3 FPS online and yet I'd bet that if we cancelled out all the FPS sales that the PS3 sales have gotten this gen, it make FPS on consoles much more insignificant. The FPS genre on PC is still popular and just because consoles  have a couple of big FPS's (Halo and COD), it doesn't negate the PC's big FPS's (TF2, Crysis, Counter Strike, Left 4 Dead 1 &2, Battlefield etc). Kudo is an ass, people should stop defending his every word just because he backs the console they prefer.

It was a throwaway comment in a LARGER point he was making and all we're doing is focusing on the throwaway comment.  Sorry, but I think that's petty and unfair.

The reality is that bloggers and faux journalist make their living off of traffic grabbing, inflammatory headlines that generate strong emotional reactions in people.  That's why we're talking about this instead of the point of the article from where this quote was taken.  We're acting like a bunch of tools and blaming Kudo for it.  People are even attacking him wearing sunglasses, even though he has a condition called photophobia that forces him to wear them.

Its not about defending Kudo.  Its about defending his overall point.  I won't pick apart you listing a bunch of multiplatform FPS games as big PC FPS's because that's missing the point of what you're saying.  It annoys me when people do that because its like they're just LOOKING for something to take a shot at someone for.  We should be better than that.

Problem is his throwaway comment shouldn't have been made or should have been worded appropriately. With the state of gaming journalism and his position you'd think he'd know this.

Fact is, he made a small but stupid comment and gaming journalists picked it up and now we have threads like this one.


The problem with this thinking is that everyone doesn't monitors their comments like a PR person does.  Kudo is not a PR person and thus he will not give you those non answers like a PR people do.  A lot of times when interviews like these are held, its very casual.  This is why you can get statements like this because the interview person and the interviewed are relax. It always amazed me how people can take a person point of view and go nuts as if their point of view cannot be easily challenged.

As for the statement, it's hardly stupid and put into the context of the COMPLETE quote than it has a lot of revelance.  Compared to when Halo released and Now, FPS games continue to dominate on the console instead of the PC to the point where the PC is more an afterthought for sales. FPS are  lead on the console instead of the PC.  People use Steam as a measurement but you can barely list 5 games and even if you do, they still do not compare to 5 top games played online on the 360 or PS3.



scottie on 21 September 2010

Wow, I came in here to say that the quote in the thread title is the stupidest thign I have heard today. however, I can no longer say that. The swill written by the journalist at the bottom is much worse.

 

"In relation to this, NPD announced this morning that PC downloads have surpassed retail figures within the first six months of this year within the US" - not relevant, that merely represents a shift of the method by which PC gamers buy their games

", proving that PC gaming still has plenty of life left in it." - no it doesn't.

"Between January to June alone, 11.2 million games were downloaded in comparison to a further 8.2 million that were sold at retail." - Again, we don't need to see the breakdowns by method of purchase

 

"Whilst sales for both were reportedly down by 21 per cent" - hey cool, the first time he ever addresses TOTAL PC game sales, and he pretty much proves the guy's point :P

 

", Kudo is perhaps a little too quick to hammer a nail into the PC gaming coffin." - Kudo did infact no nail putting into of the PC gaming coffin, and I quote 

"Hardly anyone plays FPS on the PC anymore"

 

inb4 a swarm of people assuming that because I called the author of the article stupid that I support Kudo, and who consequently quote my post in their response and fill it with reasons why kudo is wrong, despite having not read my entire post, or even properly read any of it. Anyone who does this owes me a beer.



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Darth Tigris on 21 September 2010
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:

It was a throwaway comment in a LARGER point he was making and all we're doing is focusing on the throwaway comment.  Sorry, but I think that's petty and unfair.

The reality is that bloggers and faux journalist make their living off of traffic grabbing, inflammatory headlines that generate strong emotional reactions in people.  That's why we're talking about this instead of the point of the article from where this quote was taken.  We're acting like a bunch of tools and blaming Kudo for it.  People are even attacking him wearing sunglasses, even though he has a condition called photophobia that forces him to wear them.

Its not about defending Kudo.  Its about defending his overall point.  I won't pick apart you listing a bunch of multiplatform FPS games as big PC FPS's because that's missing the point of what you're saying.  It annoys me when people do that because its like they're just LOOKING for something to take a shot at someone for.  We should be better than that.

Problem is his throwaway comment shouldn't have been made or should have been worded appropriately. With the state of gaming journalism and his position you'd think he'd know this.

Fact is, he made a small but stupid comment and gaming journalists picked it up and now we have threads like this one.

Ah, so its HIS fault that gaming 'journalism' is reactionary and opportunistic and the readers of said 'journalism' respond in kind?  REALLY???!!!

Eventually this is going to force them not to say anything honest to us.  Everything will be a prepared statement that is scripted and hollow.  And we will be worse off for it . . . 



Dioxinis on 21 September 2010

I play the majority of shooters on my PC bioshock, badcompany, etc have all been purchased on PC and i dont plan to change any time soon... then again MOVE controls could sway me from the mouse and keyboard xD 



Scoobes on 21 September 2010
Machiavellian said:
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:
Doobie_wop said:
Darth Tigris said:

But what he said isn't factually wrong, just a quick generalization.  If we look at just sales, is it wrong to say that 90 % of FPS games sales are on the consoles?  This is VGChartz.  It wouldn't take much to settle that.  Unless PC game sales aren't tracked for some strange reason . . .

PC games aren't tracked.... I don't get what your trying to say. Unless you have some sort of proof to back your percentage, then your generalization is irrelevant. He also said that 'hardly' anyone plays FPS on PC anymore, which isn't true at all, if over 500,000 people play FPS on PC's a day, then I don't think that is an insignificant amount. I'd even go so far as to say that more people play PC FPS online than PS3 FPS online and yet I'd bet that if we cancelled out all the FPS sales that the PS3 sales have gotten this gen, it make FPS on consoles much more insignificant. The FPS genre on PC is still popular and just because consoles  have a couple of big FPS's (Halo and COD), it doesn't negate the PC's big FPS's (TF2, Crysis, Counter Strike, Left 4 Dead 1 &2, Battlefield etc). Kudo is an ass, people should stop defending his every word just because he backs the console they prefer.

It was a throwaway comment in a LARGER point he was making and all we're doing is focusing on the throwaway comment.  Sorry, but I think that's petty and unfair.

The reality is that bloggers and faux journalist make their living off of traffic grabbing, inflammatory headlines that generate strong emotional reactions in people.  That's why we're talking about this instead of the point of the article from where this quote was taken.  We're acting like a bunch of tools and blaming Kudo for it.  People are even attacking him wearing sunglasses, even though he has a condition called photophobia that forces him to wear them.

Its not about defending Kudo.  Its about defending his overall point.  I won't pick apart you listing a bunch of multiplatform FPS games as big PC FPS's because that's missing the point of what you're saying.  It annoys me when people do that because its like they're just LOOKING for something to take a shot at someone for.  We should be better than that.

Problem is his throwaway comment shouldn't have been made or should have been worded appropriately. With the state of gaming journalism and his position you'd think he'd know this.

Fact is, he made a small but stupid comment and gaming journalists picked it up and now we have threads like this one.


The problem with this thinking is that everyone doesn't monitors their comments like a PR person does.  Kudo is not a PR person and thus he will not give you those non answers like a PR people do.  A lot of times when interviews like these are held, its very casual.  This is why you can get statements like this because the interview person and the interviewed are relax. It always amazed me how people can take a person point of view and go nuts as if their point of view cannot be easily challenged.

As for the statement, it's hardly stupid and put into the context of the COMPLETE quote than it has a lot of revelance.  Compared to when Halo released and Now, FPS games continue to dominate on the console instead of the PC to the point where the PC is more an afterthought for sales. FPS are  lead on the console instead of the PC.  People use Steam as a measurement but you can barely list 5 games and even if you do, they still do not compare to 5 top games played online on the 360 or PS3.

He might not be a PR guy, but he's still speaking as a MS representative. Considering MS are supposedly (in terms of PR speak) supporting PC, comments like this that are easily miscontrued and aren't going to help MS.

And no, even in context it still comes off as somewhat ignorant. Nowhere near as bad as the gaming media make it out but still stupid. Also, the belief that FPS' dominate on consoles is based off of 1 franchise; Halo. Read this thread:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=116554&page=1&str=1668081137#

It shows that at 5:20 PM UK time 266,505 people were concurrently (the OP is worded wrong, look down the thread) playing FPS' on Steam alone. This is at a time when most of the US is at work and most of Europe is only just getting back from work. At a conservative estimate, at least 1 million users play FPS' on Steam alone (off of approx 25 million userbase). Now factor in all the other services, the private servers, publisher servers etc. and that estimate suddenly becomes much larger than any single console, and possibly even all console FPS' combined.

I think Foamer sums it up quite nicely here:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3647949




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Scoobes on 21 September 2010
Darth Tigris said:
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:

It was a throwaway comment in a LARGER point he was making and all we're doing is focusing on the throwaway comment.  Sorry, but I think that's petty and unfair.

The reality is that bloggers and faux journalist make their living off of traffic grabbing, inflammatory headlines that generate strong emotional reactions in people.  That's why we're talking about this instead of the point of the article from where this quote was taken.  We're acting like a bunch of tools and blaming Kudo for it.  People are even attacking him wearing sunglasses, even though he has a condition called photophobia that forces him to wear them.

Its not about defending Kudo.  Its about defending his overall point.  I won't pick apart you listing a bunch of multiplatform FPS games as big PC FPS's because that's missing the point of what you're saying.  It annoys me when people do that because its like they're just LOOKING for something to take a shot at someone for.  We should be better than that.

Problem is his throwaway comment shouldn't have been made or should have been worded appropriately. With the state of gaming journalism and his position you'd think he'd know this.

Fact is, he made a small but stupid comment and gaming journalists picked it up and now we have threads like this one.

Ah, so its HIS fault that gaming 'journalism' is reactionary and opportunistic and the readers of said 'journalism' respond in kind?  REALLY???!!!

Eventually this is going to force them not to say anything honest to us.  Everything will be a prepared statement that is scripted and hollow.  And we will be worse off for it . . . 

It's his fault for not realising that gaming journalism is a joke and that he needs to be careful when representing his company. I've read alarmist "journalism" from game sites before with a lot less ammunition than he provided.

And yes, we will be worse off for it, but I doubt it'll ever come to that as all publicity is good publicity right? Either way, I really wish journalism in the industry would improve.




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P_chan on 23 September 2010

I don't play them..