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Has Inafune gone MAD? (Megaman Creator, Capcom Dev)

Yes he has gone MADDDD! 25 40.32%
 
No no, Japan IS DOOMED! 20 32.26%
 
Dogs > Mario > Megaman > Cats > New Dante 17 27.42%
 
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darthdevidem01 on 20 September 2010
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:

 I honestly don't think Japanese devs can figure this out but your games not selling isn't because they're not "western" they don't sell cause you put everything on the DS and make nothing for consoles.

The companies heavily supporting DS (Level-5, Square Enix, Atlus, etc) and to a lesser extent PSP, seem to be the ones doing better actually.  And Capcom's been pretty shitty on DS support actually, until just this year.

Yes you are correct. But I think I got a revelation, the only devs complaining are Konami, Capcom and Square.  Not sure why Konami's complaining, but with Capcom their complaints are that their games arn't selling well enough in the West, but the only games arn't selling are bad games made by "western" devs everything made by Capcom Japan is selling well here.  Now with Square, you are correct about them supporting DS and PSP and making money off of them, but they keep on complaining for Western sales just like Capcom.  But I think with Square my point holds, their handheld games sell well here, but most of their sales come from Japan.  I think Square's complaints will go away with more console games.  I mean not including Eidos' games the only console games from Square in the last, what 5 years, is Final Fantasy 13 and The Last Remnant.  I think Square will get more sales in the "West" if they just make console games which they have been neglecting.

Well yeah, Capcom's complaints are doubly WTF since all their big deal western ventures have seemed to bomb spectacularly (Bionic Commando, Spyborgs, Dark Void).  Expect Dead Rising 2 and DmC to follow in their footsteps.

Square Enix has done pretty well in the west even on DS/PSP though.  Crisis Core, Dissidia, FFIII/IV, DQIX and KH 358/2d were all relative hits, and I'd say KH BBS/Re:Coded are going to do well also.  I'd agree, more HD RPGs would help in the west, but they're pretty lacking Wii side as well.  

Konami, I dunno.  It seems like they threw everything they had into MGS, and the rest of the company has suffered as a result.  The best Konami games I've played this gen were the WiiWare ReBirth titles, and M2 made those. :/

Yeah Square has had success with handhelds here, but I think he (Wada) wants 4 million sales for each game and well, I'm too lazy to look, but I don't think Square has gotten sales from handelds that high, except for Dragon Quest.  Or Wada's just crazy which I think is the case.  I think Wada reads too much forums or listens to gaming press too much.  I still hold by that if Square just made good console games they'd get their 5 million sellers.  On the other end with Capcom, I'm sure if they internally develop games instead of outsourcing they'd get their sales too (But that might be wrong cause Clover games never lit up the charts), or better yet maybe they should start advertising some games on T.V.  I havn't seen an ad from Capcom since Street Fighter 4 (Can't remember if they made any for Resident Evil).

SE will have more 5 Million sellers on consoles this gen:

- FF 15

- FF Versus 13 

- KH3

- DQX - maybe

I think thats as much as last gen......if its less blame there being less than 2 KH's this gen



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Beuli2 on 20 September 2010

LOL? Is  this guy taking his medicine?



Above: still the best game of the year.

A203D on 20 September 2010
allblue said:

No he is right. Japan game developers need to innovate and in the right direction. At least I'm glad there's someone like him who's aware of what's the situation is like.

No matter how one might argue its an indisputable fact that the west is where the market is this generation.

Except demon's souls/valkyria chronicles (and very few others) I have yet to see a new ground breaking japanese IP that passes the 9.0 barrier this gen - especially in the rpg department. You can argue all you like about how tales games are the underated gems and that the jdevelopers need not to make appeal to wider audience but at the end of the day money is what matters.

I still have hope in jgame industry hopefully someone will truly see the light and lead others in the Right direction and by that I don't mean resorting to steroid freak macho main characters and leaving other aspects of the game in dim light.

I agree to an extent, the major JP stuidos like Square, Konami and Capcom havent had the same critical or commerical success as they have in the past. however having platinumed both Bayonetta and God of War 3, i think that the smaller JP developers have had gems that far exceed those of their western counterparts. i think Vanquish will follow suit. its just for whatever reason they havent achieved the same commerical success as western blockbusters.

in fact i think a lot of the western games are heavily overratted, ie GTA4 or MW2. i think he has a point though, but its just the big developers that have these problems not the smaller ones. in fact i think its the western developers who need to get their act together, i get fed up of the generic shoorter or the uninnovative action game (Dante's Inferno).



A203D on 20 September 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:

 I honestly don't think Japanese devs can figure this out but your games not selling isn't because they're not "western" they don't sell cause you put everything on the DS and make nothing for consoles.

The companies heavily supporting DS (Level-5, Square Enix, Atlus, etc) and to a lesser extent PSP, seem to be the ones doing better actually.  And Capcom's been pretty shitty on DS support actually, until just this year.

Yes you are correct. But I think I got a revelation, the only devs complaining are Konami, Capcom and Square.  Not sure why Konami's complaining, but with Capcom their complaints are that their games arn't selling well enough in the West, but the only games arn't selling are bad games made by "western" devs everything made by Capcom Japan is selling well here.  Now with Square, you are correct about them supporting DS and PSP and making money off of them, but they keep on complaining for Western sales just like Capcom.  But I think with Square my point holds, their handheld games sell well here, but most of their sales come from Japan.  I think Square's complaints will go away with more console games.  I mean not including Eidos' games the only console games from Square in the last, what 5 years, is Final Fantasy 13 and The Last Remnant.  I think Square will get more sales in the "West" if they just make console games which they have been neglecting.

Well yeah, Capcom's complaints are doubly WTF since all their big deal western ventures have seemed to bomb spectacularly (Bionic Commando, Spyborgs, Dark Void).  Expect Dead Rising 2 and DmC to follow in their footsteps.

Square Enix has done pretty well in the west even on DS/PSP though.  Crisis Core, Dissidia, FFIII/IV, DQIX and KH 358/2d were all relative hits, and I'd say KH BBS/Re:Coded are going to do well also.  I'd agree, more HD RPGs would help in the west, but they're pretty lacking Wii side as well.  

Konami, I dunno.  It seems like they threw everything they had into MGS, and the rest of the company has suffered as a result.  The best Konami games I've played this gen were the WiiWare ReBirth titles, and M2 made those. :/

Yeah Square has had success with handhelds here, but I think he (Wada) wants 4 million sales for each game and well, I'm too lazy to look, but I don't think Square has gotten sales from handelds that high, except for Dragon Quest.  Or Wada's just crazy which I think is the case.  I think Wada reads too much forums or listens to gaming press too much.  I still hold by that if Square just made good console games they'd get their 5 million sellers.  On the other end with Capcom, I'm sure if they internally develop games instead of outsourcing they'd get their sales too (But that might be wrong cause Clover games never lit up the charts), or better yet maybe they should start advertising some games on T.V.  I havn't seen an ad from Capcom since Street Fighter 4 (Can't remember if they made any for Resident Evil).

SE will have more 5 Million sellers on consoles this gen:

- FF 15

- FF Versus 13 

- KH3

- DQX - maybe

I think thats as much as last gen......if its less blame there being less than 2 KH's this gen

The problem with this is that, how many of those sales will come from the west and how many from Japan??, and those franchises are well established names, other than those, nothing else from SE could really hit 4 mil imo. no offense!, but i dont really think they could do it again without the FF brand.

Edit, so on that point, i think Infuane may have a reasonable argument, though not completely justified if you look at Platinum Games, or From Software.



darkknightkryta on 20 September 2010
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:

 I honestly don't think Japanese devs can figure this out but your games not selling isn't because they're not "western" they don't sell cause you put everything on the DS and make nothing for consoles.

The companies heavily supporting DS (Level-5, Square Enix, Atlus, etc) and to a lesser extent PSP, seem to be the ones doing better actually.  And Capcom's been pretty shitty on DS support actually, until just this year.

Yes you are correct. But I think I got a revelation, the only devs complaining are Konami, Capcom and Square.  Not sure why Konami's complaining, but with Capcom their complaints are that their games arn't selling well enough in the West, but the only games arn't selling are bad games made by "western" devs everything made by Capcom Japan is selling well here.  Now with Square, you are correct about them supporting DS and PSP and making money off of them, but they keep on complaining for Western sales just like Capcom.  But I think with Square my point holds, their handheld games sell well here, but most of their sales come from Japan.  I think Square's complaints will go away with more console games.  I mean not including Eidos' games the only console games from Square in the last, what 5 years, is Final Fantasy 13 and The Last Remnant.  I think Square will get more sales in the "West" if they just make console games which they have been neglecting.

Well yeah, Capcom's complaints are doubly WTF since all their big deal western ventures have seemed to bomb spectacularly (Bionic Commando, Spyborgs, Dark Void).  Expect Dead Rising 2 and DmC to follow in their footsteps.

Square Enix has done pretty well in the west even on DS/PSP though.  Crisis Core, Dissidia, FFIII/IV, DQIX and KH 358/2d were all relative hits, and I'd say KH BBS/Re:Coded are going to do well also.  I'd agree, more HD RPGs would help in the west, but they're pretty lacking Wii side as well.  

Konami, I dunno.  It seems like they threw everything they had into MGS, and the rest of the company has suffered as a result.  The best Konami games I've played this gen were the WiiWare ReBirth titles, and M2 made those. :/

Yeah Square has had success with handhelds here, but I think he (Wada) wants 4 million sales for each game and well, I'm too lazy to look, but I don't think Square has gotten sales from handelds that high, except for Dragon Quest.  Or Wada's just crazy which I think is the case.  I think Wada reads too much forums or listens to gaming press too much.  I still hold by that if Square just made good console games they'd get their 5 million sellers.  On the other end with Capcom, I'm sure if they internally develop games instead of outsourcing they'd get their sales too (But that might be wrong cause Clover games never lit up the charts), or better yet maybe they should start advertising some games on T.V.  I havn't seen an ad from Capcom since Street Fighter 4 (Can't remember if they made any for Resident Evil).

Thing is, I'm not sure exactly what SE could do on consoles that'd be huge (ie: 4m plus) outside FF/KH/DQ, and most of those are already happening.  DS software has bottomed out in Europe though, and PSP is basically dead everywhere in the west, so moving on from them makes sense, but to 3DS/PSP2 or 360/PS3/Wii?  If SE made stuff like SaGa, Mana, Parasite Eve, Valkyrie Profile, etc for the consoles, they'd probably only sell as well as they would on handhelds anyway... I mean, it's not like TLR, SO4 or Nier exactly lit up the charts.  I don't expect Front Mission to either.

I actually saw Capcom TV ads in the US for RE5, Bionic Commando, MHFU, RE DSC, Dark Void, TvC, MH3, SSF4 and LP2 actually.  Tons for RE5, MH3 and LP2 especially, Capcom USA's pretty good with advertising here.

Maybe it's cause I'm not watching T.V. anymore, or maybe they just didn't pay for advertising space up here in Canada, oh Monster Hunter 3 ads were paid by Nintendo... but anyways.  I think if Square just made some better games and advertised them they'd sell. And last I checked Square didn't make Star Ocean or Nier, or Valkryie Profile, they just published.  I think Square can turn Parasite Eve into a competitive name again with a console game.  I think Square can light up the charts with some RPGs if they make them as good as their older ones.  Wada just won't let a gamble happen anymore and I think that's what's hurting Square.  And like I said before Square only made 2 console games in the last 5 years... sorry I forgot about the Wii.  Hmmm they released more Wii games than PS3 or X-Box games...



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darthdevidem01 on 20 September 2010
A203D said:
darthdevidem01 said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:

 I honestly don't think Japanese devs can figure this out but your games not selling isn't because they're not "western" they don't sell cause you put everything on the DS and make nothing for consoles.

The companies heavily supporting DS (Level-5, Square Enix, Atlus, etc) and to a lesser extent PSP, seem to be the ones doing better actually.  And Capcom's been pretty shitty on DS support actually, until just this year.

Yes you are correct. But I think I got a revelation, the only devs complaining are Konami, Capcom and Square.  Not sure why Konami's complaining, but with Capcom their complaints are that their games arn't selling well enough in the West, but the only games arn't selling are bad games made by "western" devs everything made by Capcom Japan is selling well here.  Now with Square, you are correct about them supporting DS and PSP and making money off of them, but they keep on complaining for Western sales just like Capcom.  But I think with Square my point holds, their handheld games sell well here, but most of their sales come from Japan.  I think Square's complaints will go away with more console games.  I mean not including Eidos' games the only console games from Square in the last, what 5 years, is Final Fantasy 13 and The Last Remnant.  I think Square will get more sales in the "West" if they just make console games which they have been neglecting.

Well yeah, Capcom's complaints are doubly WTF since all their big deal western ventures have seemed to bomb spectacularly (Bionic Commando, Spyborgs, Dark Void).  Expect Dead Rising 2 and DmC to follow in their footsteps.

Square Enix has done pretty well in the west even on DS/PSP though.  Crisis Core, Dissidia, FFIII/IV, DQIX and KH 358/2d were all relative hits, and I'd say KH BBS/Re:Coded are going to do well also.  I'd agree, more HD RPGs would help in the west, but they're pretty lacking Wii side as well.  

Konami, I dunno.  It seems like they threw everything they had into MGS, and the rest of the company has suffered as a result.  The best Konami games I've played this gen were the WiiWare ReBirth titles, and M2 made those. :/

Yeah Square has had success with handhelds here, but I think he (Wada) wants 4 million sales for each game and well, I'm too lazy to look, but I don't think Square has gotten sales from handelds that high, except for Dragon Quest.  Or Wada's just crazy which I think is the case.  I think Wada reads too much forums or listens to gaming press too much.  I still hold by that if Square just made good console games they'd get their 5 million sellers.  On the other end with Capcom, I'm sure if they internally develop games instead of outsourcing they'd get their sales too (But that might be wrong cause Clover games never lit up the charts), or better yet maybe they should start advertising some games on T.V.  I havn't seen an ad from Capcom since Street Fighter 4 (Can't remember if they made any for Resident Evil).

SE will have more 5 Million sellers on consoles this gen:

- FF 15

- FF Versus 13 

- KH3

- DQX - maybe

I think thats as much as last gen......if its less blame there being less than 2 KH's this gen

The problem with this is that, how many of those sales will come from the west and how many from Japan??, and those franchises are well established names, other than those, nothing else from SE could really hit 4 mil imo. no offense!, but i dont really think they could do it again without the FF brand.

I dunno with FF, its getting weaker in Japan but staying realitvely stable in strength in the west. (stronger in Europe since FF13 is most likely gonna outsell FF10 there and become the best selling FF since 7)

Then KH got stronger in Japan, but weaker in the west.

DQ is getting stronger in both places thankfully, well at least in Europe looking at DQIX....probably not in America.

Its a mixed bag and confusing

Lets just look a it worldwide for the purpose of this thread for now.



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

jarrod on 20 September 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
A203D said:
darthdevidem01 said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:
jarrod said:
darkknightkryta said:

 I honestly don't think Japanese devs can figure this out but your games not selling isn't because they're not "western" they don't sell cause you put everything on the DS and make nothing for consoles.

The companies heavily supporting DS (Level-5, Square Enix, Atlus, etc) and to a lesser extent PSP, seem to be the ones doing better actually.  And Capcom's been pretty shitty on DS support actually, until just this year.

Yes you are correct. But I think I got a revelation, the only devs complaining are Konami, Capcom and Square.  Not sure why Konami's complaining, but with Capcom their complaints are that their games arn't selling well enough in the West, but the only games arn't selling are bad games made by "western" devs everything made by Capcom Japan is selling well here.  Now with Square, you are correct about them supporting DS and PSP and making money off of them, but they keep on complaining for Western sales just like Capcom.  But I think with Square my point holds, their handheld games sell well here, but most of their sales come from Japan.  I think Square's complaints will go away with more console games.  I mean not including Eidos' games the only console games from Square in the last, what 5 years, is Final Fantasy 13 and The Last Remnant.  I think Square will get more sales in the "West" if they just make console games which they have been neglecting.

Well yeah, Capcom's complaints are doubly WTF since all their big deal western ventures have seemed to bomb spectacularly (Bionic Commando, Spyborgs, Dark Void).  Expect Dead Rising 2 and DmC to follow in their footsteps.

Square Enix has done pretty well in the west even on DS/PSP though.  Crisis Core, Dissidia, FFIII/IV, DQIX and KH 358/2d were all relative hits, and I'd say KH BBS/Re:Coded are going to do well also.  I'd agree, more HD RPGs would help in the west, but they're pretty lacking Wii side as well.  

Konami, I dunno.  It seems like they threw everything they had into MGS, and the rest of the company has suffered as a result.  The best Konami games I've played this gen were the WiiWare ReBirth titles, and M2 made those. :/

Yeah Square has had success with handhelds here, but I think he (Wada) wants 4 million sales for each game and well, I'm too lazy to look, but I don't think Square has gotten sales from handelds that high, except for Dragon Quest.  Or Wada's just crazy which I think is the case.  I think Wada reads too much forums or listens to gaming press too much.  I still hold by that if Square just made good console games they'd get their 5 million sellers.  On the other end with Capcom, I'm sure if they internally develop games instead of outsourcing they'd get their sales too (But that might be wrong cause Clover games never lit up the charts), or better yet maybe they should start advertising some games on T.V.  I havn't seen an ad from Capcom since Street Fighter 4 (Can't remember if they made any for Resident Evil).

SE will have more 5 Million sellers on consoles this gen:

- FF 15

- FF Versus 13 

- KH3

- DQX - maybe

I think thats as much as last gen......if its less blame there being less than 2 KH's this gen

The problem with this is that, how many of those sales will come from the west and how many from Japan??, and those franchises are well established names, other than those, nothing else from SE could really hit 4 mil imo. no offense!, but i dont really think they could do it again without the FF brand.

I dunno with FF, its getting weaker in Japan but staying realitvely stable in strength in the west. (stronger in Europe since FF13 is most likely gonna outsell FF10 there and become the best selling FF since 7)

Then KH got stronger in Japan, but weaker in the west.

DQ is getting stronger in both places thankfully, well at least in Europe looking at DQIX....probably not in America.

Its a mixed bag and confusing

Lets just look a it worldwide for the purpose of this thread for now.

DQIX is doing better than DQVIII in the US, and DQVIII had a FFXII demo packed in.  Nintendo is magic.

KH also peaked in Japan with KH2... BBS was a bit of a drop off, though it also didn't have number.  If they'd have just called it what it is (ie: Kingdom Hearts 0) I wonder if it'd have done better?  358/2 days did better than CoM at least.



ChichiriMuyo on 20 September 2010

*note* Nintendo is ALWAYS the exception to the rule.

It's funny - those of you that think he's crazy keep focusing on old series' that still do well, but are for the most part declining.  Inafune is talking about the fact that very few new titles in the last 5 years have met the success of new titles from the West.  They've gotten MH to be an absolute beast, but only in Japan.  And what else has come from Japan in recent years with the potential to sell 5 million?

He'd know better than us that the Japanese market is declining, and the Japanese developers have had a hard time figuring out how to have new successes in the West.  This is a serious concern, and it goes well beyond Inafune.  Everyone outside of Nintendo is looking at a very bleak future, and they have no idea to turn things around.  Yes, he's a lot more vocal about it than others and perhaps he shouldn't be, but most of what he's saying is right.



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jarrod on 20 September 2010
ChichiriMuyo said:

*note* Nintendo is ALWAYS the exception to the rule.

It's funny - those of you that think he's crazy keep focusing on old series' that still do well, but are for the most part declining.  Inafune is talking about the fact that very few new titles in the last 5 years have met the success of new titles from the West.  They've gotten MH to be an absolute beast, but only in Japan.  And what else has come from Japan in recent years with the potential to sell 5 million?

5 million is a pretty high threshold though... I mean the only new western IPs to manage that in the past 5 years are COD (not really new either, it started last gen), Gears of War and Assassin's Creed.  Just Dance should manage it too.

Japan has seen quite a few new IPs take off besides just Monster Hunter and Nintendo games this gen, stuff like Professor Layton, Cooking Mama, Deca Sports, Inazuma Eleven, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Love & Berry, We Ski... they might not be 5m sellers, but they're all million sellers, some multi-million even.  There's life in Japan yet, even if you want to arbitrarily discount Nintendo and Monster Hunter (which would be equivalent to arbitrarily discounting Activision Blizzard and Halo in the west).  



richardhutnik on 20 September 2010

And on this note, I run this scenario where Capcom ends up having to be sold due to this direction, and Microsoft buys them and puts a large number of their old arcade games in Game Room.