my position is that there are not many atheists that can be held up as examples of good morals(even two that someone brought up appear to be only agnostics that atheists seem to be essentially hijacking).  So if people can only name "bad" atheists then people will assume that atheists arent moral.  With more prominent clearly upstanding atheists then people wouldnt generalize atheists as having no morals or being immoral.

the other person brought up high profile atheists who do not have a good morals.  i would probably argue that those individuals are amoral.  Someone mentioned that atheists actually have a better moral code, so i guess he believes those people are immoral and essentially evil(since they know right and wrong but are willfully choosing to act wrongly).  I couldnt tell you whether or not either feel it reflects poorly on atheists as a whole.

In my personal experience, most of the atheists ive known (and no im not saying all atheists are this way) tend to be bitter and hate god, rather than reaching the decision that god doesnt exist through a logical thought process.  It doesnt even seem a rational position to me.  I can understand an agnostic "god probably doesnt exist" point of view... but to be so absolutely positive about something unknowable...(even religious people can claim personal experience that affirms their belief,  but what situation would someone have to prove that He doesnt exist)

I hope this answers your question.

FTR, much much more people were killed for making political jokes than for being Christian.

Its not arrogance if its a fact.  Look at statistics on the matter, you'll find that atheists tend to be more educated and wealthier than the rest of society and that atheists have lower crime rates.

As I said before, I think economics is the biggest predictor of crime, and it makes sense that wealthy people aren't going to be knocking up banks and jacking cars.  Thus, atheists commit less crime but aren't necessarily more moral than the rest of society, though its ridiculous that people would consider atheists less moral when they are the best behaved members of society.

Stalin was not a communist, he was a nationalist... oh cmon, you have got to be kidding me here... May i ask why did his country's flag had communist emblem on it?

he didnt kill in the name of atheism...he did it because he thought his nation and its ways were supreme...same with most people like him, religious leaders though often used there religion as an excuse for this or it motivated them rather than just nationalism.So if someone uses nationalisam or communisam as an excuse its ok, but if he uses religion than religion itself is bad??? Please stop the blushit.

they werent killed by him for believing in god, but for not conforming... The didnt conform because they believed in God and Stalin was an atheist and killed them  to promote his communist regime that promotes atheisam..heck, the very idea of nationalism is inherently similar to religion, both want those who dont conform to them to "burn in hell" as such...

Interesting. What do you mean that most atheists hate God? It seems irrational for anyone to hate the source of all good in the universe. Did you actually mean that or were you trying to say something else?

i dissagree. iiii? a snake lol!

Good morals calls upon more than just the personal opinion of someone as to right and wrong.  So, the question is where an atheist gets morals and ethics from, besides themselves?  People who get off morally justify their own morals being off by their own rationalization.  I see it now with my father, who I had personally confronted with his use of language where he is going to kill people who don't do what he says... but he doesn't mean it.  I call him on it by saying he is either a psychopath (if he does it) or a liar (if he doesn't).  It doesn't resonate and he got worse with it.  His moral system justifies it because he apparently does things around the house, so he can talk like it.  His moral system doesn't have him see what he is doing is wrong in its own right.

So, answer me this, besides one's own set of reasoning, where do atheists get their morals from?  Atheism is not a belief system, it is a lack of a belief in something.  Because it is a lack of belief, it doesn't lend to people being able to figure a positive on how to live.  It also doesn't lay out the shoulds in life, or give a moral imperative.