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sapphi_snake on 17 September 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

retarded comparison is retarded

none of those people so far as I know killed BECAUSE of there atheism or other peoples religions, whereas things like holy wars and the crusades WERE implicitly about religion and people not liking each others religions, but hey if you are a blind theist you wont want to accept this.


No, not really, go get a history book and start reading, because the religion was the last thing crusades were about. And the people i mentioned were atheists who killed in the name of communisam which promotes and helps spreading atheisam. But that doesnt really matter. The fact is, atheists killed millions of people. But if you're blind arrogant atheist you wont want to accep this.

I think he does accept it. But it doesn't matter than an atheist killed people, what does matter is whether his/her atheism was the driving force that lead him/her to commit said atrocities.



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pizzahut451 on 17 September 2010
sapphi_snake said:
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sapphi_snake said:
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I guess so. The whole point of christianity is to believe in the teaching of jesus christ. The whole christian religion and faith is based on that. Jesus never said you have to be christian in order to be with God ( being in heaven ). He said you shouldt follow him.I remember someone (who is probably much smarter than me and you ) saying''you dont have to believe in Jesus, Mosses or Mohammed, rather believe in the teachings these men teach and you'll earn eternal slavation'' Christians, Muslims and Jews believe in the same God and some even have some same relgious characters.. When Muhammed escaped his enemies in Mecca, he came upon christian king who let him in his kingdom and said: come in and let me know about you God'' on which MUhammed replied: ''Our God is your God, and your God is our God''.

Exactly. You are a chirstian of you belive that those teachings are true. If you don't beleive in Jesus, and that his teachings are correct it doesn't matter that your personal guidelines coincide with his teachings, you're still not a Christian.

As for that guy you quoted... well since he believed in "slavation" he couldn't possibly be very smart now could he? (oh, I know I shouldn't have, but I couldn't help myself )

I believe in Jesus, and so do other abrahamic religions. However, you dont have to be a christian in order to believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

That is true. But didn't many Jesus' teachings reffer specifically to God and religion and salvation? Plus, regardless of you folow principles similar to Jesus's teachings, that does not make you a Christian.


This can be ended rather simple: If you comit a crime and ended in prison, your not a christian, regardless if you think Jesus was son of God or not. And yes, Jesus' teachings did reffer to God and religion. But also to a lot of good moral teachings



pizzahut451 on 17 September 2010
Badassbab said:
pizzahut451 said:
oldschoolfool said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
oldschoolfool said:
ithis said:
mai said:

That's not about 'benefits', it's just inevitable. I'm pretty sure a world 'without' religion was depicted in some episode of South Park? It's in episode where Cartman is dying to buy a Wii and eventually goes to the future, I believe =)


Must watch that.

It's inevitable, but if a society grew out of it, I don't think there'll be any reason to invent it back.

I agree,I think relgion divides and hurt's people,more than it helps them. Think of all the wars between different religions. Everybody thinks there religions are the right one.


Think of this buddy

  • Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
  • Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
  • Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 10 million plus dead
  • Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
  • Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
  • Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead

Those attrocities had nothing to do with those peoples' atheism, but rather with the political regime's they were promoting.

Communisam promotes atheisam andd sees the religion and religious people as their enemies. Its like saying ''KKK didnt lynch people black people for being black, thel lynched them for not being white''


It only promotes it in the since,that they don't want any group getting in the way of there dictarship/communisim. We can argue sematics all day long,but that's like arguing in a big circle and not getting anywhere. lol


Ok so stop with all ''religious wars'' bullshit, atheists killed millions of people too and that argument can be useed on religious wars as well.

Yes but atheism isn't a belief like religion. It's more a non belief. And like it's been pointed out those killed by Stalin etc wern't killed because of a religious belief and it had nothing to due with them being an atheist. If you want to play that game than I could list every single dictator, King, Queen, President etc throughout history who professed to a religious belief and put the number of deaths they were responsible for next to their name. It would be a VERY long list. Furthermore don't forget the relationship between the Catholic Church and Hitler and Mussolini. Hitlers religious belief is still up for debate.


Oh but they were. If not killed, then most likely set to prison or to working plan. And i said 1 000 000 times before, he killed for communisam which is also atheistic regime. It doesnt matter if its a religious belief or not. An atheist killed people for being religious to promote his atheistic regime..PERIOD Why you wanna twist that so badly?



sapphi_snake on 17 September 2010
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


I guess so. The whole point of christianity is to believe in the teaching of jesus christ. The whole christian religion and faith is based on that. Jesus never said you have to be christian in order to be with God ( being in heaven ). He said you shouldt follow him.I remember someone (who is probably much smarter than me and you ) saying''you dont have to believe in Jesus, Mosses or Mohammed, rather believe in the teachings these men teach and you'll earn eternal slavation'' Christians, Muslims and Jews believe in the same God and some even have some same relgious characters.. When Muhammed escaped his enemies in Mecca, he came upon christian king who let him in his kingdom and said: come in and let me know about you God'' on which MUhammed replied: ''Our God is your God, and your God is our God''.

Exactly. You are a chirstian of you belive that those teachings are true. If you don't beleive in Jesus, and that his teachings are correct it doesn't matter that your personal guidelines coincide with his teachings, you're still not a Christian.

As for that guy you quoted... well since he believed in "slavation" he couldn't possibly be very smart now could he? (oh, I know I shouldn't have, but I couldn't help myself )

I believe in Jesus, and so do other abrahamic religions. However, you dont have to be a christian in order to believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

That is true. But didn't many Jesus' teachings reffer specifically to God and religion and salvation? Plus, regardless of you folow principles similar to Jesus's teachings, that does not make you a Christian.


This can be ended rather simple: If you comit a crime and ended in prison, your not a christian, regardless if you think Jesus was son of God or not. And yes, Jesus' teachings did reffer to God and religion. But also to a lot of good moral teachings

Somehow I don't think Jesus would be as cruel as you. After all people do make mistakes and can be forgiven. Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to be perfect. If it were, then there wouldn't be any Christians. But since your definition of being a Christian is being perfect (as in respecting the teachings fully, and not making any mistakes), then I assume you don't consider anyone being aChristians (not even yourself, unless you're almost as poerfect as the deity you worship). Plus your beleifs are not at all universal, nor shared by most Christians. I don't know what sect your part of, but I've never heard of anyone (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant) think the way you do.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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pearljammer on 17 September 2010

I'm unsure how any of this talk about horrid people who had commited atrocious crimes, either being religious or atheist,  is relevent or even representative of either group of people.

It's ridiculous. Really, really ridiculous.



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pizzahut451 on 17 September 2010
Homer_Simpson said:
pizzahut451 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

retarded comparison is retarded

none of those people so far as I know killed BECAUSE of there atheism or other peoples religions, whereas things like holy wars and the crusades WERE implicitly about religion and people not liking each others religions, but hey if you are a blind theist you wont want to accept this.


No, not really, go get a history book and start reading, because the religion was the last thing crusades were about. And the people i mentioned were atheists who killed in the name of communisam which promotes and helps spreading atheisam. But that doesnt really matter. The fact is, atheists killed millions of people. But if you're blind arrogant atheist you wont want to accep this.

Epic Fail, I know enough about history to know thats shit, just because the powers that be dont let people associate anything bad with religion, doesnt mean that the enlightened among us cant see the truth

you clearly know FUCK ALL about communism aswel, true communism is both INTERNATIONAL and PEACEFUL, hardly surprising that yanks cant comprehend that though...

also, communism is secular not atheistic, there is a difference, again, this is no doubt beyond your understanding

the fact they were atheists had little or nothing to do with why they killed...whereas the churches that slaughtered millions, used there religion as a reason and a cause of that violence...

I can see from your vocabulary how educated you are on ''history and shit''

If communisam is peacuefull, it wouldnt kill anyone who diasgrees with it and send to prison to worki his ass off. And it doesnt matter if communisam was atheist or not. I said JOSEPH STALIN was atheists and he killed religious people and banned religion to promote communisam which supports atheisam.

And the people got killed by an atheist for believing in God. Try twisting it as long as you want. Its the fact.



pizzahut451 on 17 September 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

retarded comparison is retarded

none of those people so far as I know killed BECAUSE of there atheism or other peoples religions, whereas things like holy wars and the crusades WERE implicitly about religion and people not liking each others religions, but hey if you are a blind theist you wont want to accept this.


No, not really, go get a history book and start reading, because the religion was the last thing crusades were about. And the people i mentioned were atheists who killed in the name of communisam which promotes and helps spreading atheisam. But that doesnt really matter. The fact is, atheists killed millions of people. But if you're blind arrogant atheist you wont want to accep this.

I think he does accept it. But it doesn't matter than an atheist killed people, what does matter is whether his/her atheism was the driving force that lead him/her to commit said atrocities.


Neither was religion a drving force that lead to the deaths of people in crusades.



pizzahut451 on 17 September 2010
pearljammer said:

I'm unsure how any of this talk about horrid people who had commited atrocious crimes, either being religious or atheist,  is relevent or even representative of either group of people.

It's ridiculous. Really, really ridiculous.


EXACTLY!!!!!!! Yet people use these people as a ''proof'' to prove atheisam/religion is bad



ManusJustus on 17 September 2010
MrBubbles said:

if there were good moral examples of atheists to hold up then people wouldnt assume they are amoral.

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet don't believe in God, and they donated billions of dollars to chairty.  If that ain't morals, then I don't know what is.



sapphi_snake on 17 September 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Homer_Simpson said:
pizzahut451 said:
Homer_Simpson said:

retarded comparison is retarded

none of those people so far as I know killed BECAUSE of there atheism or other peoples religions, whereas things like holy wars and the crusades WERE implicitly about religion and people not liking each others religions, but hey if you are a blind theist you wont want to accept this.


No, not really, go get a history book and start reading, because the religion was the last thing crusades were about. And the people i mentioned were atheists who killed in the name of communisam which promotes and helps spreading atheisam. But that doesnt really matter. The fact is, atheists killed millions of people. But if you're blind arrogant atheist you wont want to accep this.

Epic Fail, I know enough about history to know thats shit, just because the powers that be dont let people associate anything bad with religion, doesnt mean that the enlightened among us cant see the truth

you clearly know FUCK ALL about communism aswel, true communism is both INTERNATIONAL and PEACEFUL, hardly surprising that yanks cant comprehend that though...

also, communism is secular not atheistic, there is a difference, again, this is no doubt beyond your understanding

the fact they were atheists had little or nothing to do with why they killed...whereas the churches that slaughtered millions, used there religion as a reason and a cause of that violence...

I can see from your vocabulary how educated you are on ''history and shit''

If communisam is peacuefull, it wouldnt kill anyone who diasgrees with it and send to prison to worki his ass off. And it doesnt matter if communisam was atheist or not. I said JOSEPH STALIN was atheists and he killed religious people and banned religion to promote communisam which supports atheisam.

And the people got killed by an atheist for believing in God. Try twisting it as long as you want. Its the fact.

FTR, much much more people were killed for making political jokes than for being Christian.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)