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LordTheNightKnight on 16 September 2010
Squilliam said:
oniyide said:

@squilliam  someone who sees the Wii controller the way I do.  People are so quick to jump on the whole Wiimote is better for FPSs. I have one and I dont see it. The turning still sucks, but everyone some forgets to mention that. the pointing is better but thats about it. They improved in one area and went way down in another so I say analogs/Wiimote is about even. Also if the pointer controls were so great, why the hell dont FPSs do better on Wii?? Why do multiplat FPSs not even come near the HD counterparts?? that tells me that most FPS players really dont care that much for pointer controls as some fans would like to think

Probably. The market doesn't support the idea that its a perfect shooter interface. If there was strong cross-over the Wii FPS games ought to sell proportionately better than they do relative to the Xbox 360 and PS3.


That would only apply if all other factors were equal. Until more quality FPS show up, and have the features of the other systems' games, and have the marketing (not just quantity but quality) the factors are not equal, so it is not valid to assume the market just doesn't like the control.



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zuvuyeay on 16 September 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Torillian said:
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Torillian said:

The Wii is winning by 30 million, is it really necessary to put "but they'll never catch up to the Wii" after every comparison between the 360 and PS3?  Is there some reason you need to be reminded of how well the Wii is doing?

And as far as recently most articles not talking about the Wii that's a big part Nintendo's fault for not taking part in the press event that is currently dominating all the news. 

The Wii has already won, there is no question there in pretty much anyone's mind, tossing that in the article is as necessary as tossing in "but remember, the sky is blue"


Again, the leading sales argument applied even more to the PS2.

Plus the press participation smacks of the press wanting attention, which is still not being proper journalists. When the White House press corps jostles over the seating more than honest reporting, we don't give them a pass, so we aren't giving the media here a pass.


So what exactly do you want them to add into their articles?

"Wii hasn't had any new announcements because NIntendo doesn't participate in TGS and nothing has changed so we still expect it to be the market leader"

What if they just put an asterisk at the end of every sales comparison saying "As a remind even though we're looking at 360 and PS3 for this article the Wii has kicked the crap out of both and is expected to win the generation"


No, that's a false dichotomy, especially since that could have been written about the PS2 last gen, and wasn't.

Besides, it's not the announcements that this thread is about. The OP states what the issue is about.


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LordTheNightKnight on 16 September 2010
zuvuyeay said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Torillian said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Torillian said:

The Wii is winning by 30 million, is it really necessary to put "but they'll never catch up to the Wii" after every comparison between the 360 and PS3?  Is there some reason you need to be reminded of how well the Wii is doing?

And as far as recently most articles not talking about the Wii that's a big part Nintendo's fault for not taking part in the press event that is currently dominating all the news. 

The Wii has already won, there is no question there in pretty much anyone's mind, tossing that in the article is as necessary as tossing in "but remember, the sky is blue"


Again, the leading sales argument applied even more to the PS2.

Plus the press participation smacks of the press wanting attention, which is still not being proper journalists. When the White House press corps jostles over the seating more than honest reporting, we don't give them a pass, so we aren't giving the media here a pass.


So what exactly do you want them to add into their articles?

"Wii hasn't had any new announcements because NIntendo doesn't participate in TGS and nothing has changed so we still expect it to be the market leader"

What if they just put an asterisk at the end of every sales comparison saying "As a remind even though we're looking at 360 and PS3 for this article the Wii has kicked the crap out of both and is expected to win the generation"


No, that's a false dichotomy, especially since that could have been written about the PS2 last gen, and wasn't.

Besides, it's not the announcements that this thread is about. The OP states what the issue is about.


i've been seeing plenty of nintendo articles,mario all the time,dkr,epic mickey,kirby,Mom,ds,3ds and more

what is it that you want,tell us


See the OP. That shows the context that we mean.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

oniyide on 16 September 2010

@lordtheknight  I agree to a certain extent, but what about the exclusive FPSs like Conduit, MOHHeroes 2 they didnt really set the world on fire and had all those features of HD FPSs.  And besides im not talking about the features, but the controls if there so much better than analogs then shouldnt Wii owners forgive that???? THe way I see it there all equal. Wii's getting the much "better" control scheme and HD version is getting some extra features. Conduit got marketing. Ive seen FPSs on 360 with no marketing and still managet to outsell it. I never said the market didnt like the control, I just said that the vocal minority is not as large as they think. I think multiplat owners are gonna get HD version of whatever FPS anyway. Tell you what. Im pretty sure Black Ops is going to sell less on Wii than the HD guys, hell forget that. It might sell as well as PS3 but not better than 360. and the game is going to be the same across the board



psrock on 16 September 2010

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LordTheNightKnight on 16 September 2010
oniyide said:

@lordtheknight  I agree to a certain extent, but what about the exclusive FPSs like Conduit, MOHHeroes 2 they didnt really set the world on fire and had all those features of HD FPSs.  And besides im not talking about the features, but the controls if there so much better than analogs then shouldnt Wii owners forgive that???? THe way I see it there all equal. Wii's getting the much "better" control scheme and HD version is getting some extra features. Conduit got marketing. Ive seen FPSs on 360 with no marketing and still managet to outsell it. I never said the market didnt like the control, I just said that the vocal minority is not as large as they think. I think multiplat owners are gonna get HD version of whatever FPS anyway. Tell you what. Im pretty sure Black Ops is going to sell less on Wii than the HD guys, hell forget that. It might sell as well as PS3 but not better than 360. and the game is going to be the same across the board


Well Conduit was even acknowledged by HVS to be lackluster. Few were actually above lackluster. And only Quantum of Solace, also lackluster, had both online and local.

If Goldeneye is a good game, and has the kind of marketing that electifies sales for those games, that will show the real deal.

Also, I wasn't claiming you claimed the market didn't like that. It was squilliam who I was responding to.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Squilliam on 17 September 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:
oniyide said:

@squilliam  someone who sees the Wii controller the way I do.  People are so quick to jump on the whole Wiimote is better for FPSs. I have one and I dont see it. The turning still sucks, but everyone some forgets to mention that. the pointing is better but thats about it. They improved in one area and went way down in another so I say analogs/Wiimote is about even. Also if the pointer controls were so great, why the hell dont FPSs do better on Wii?? Why do multiplat FPSs not even come near the HD counterparts?? that tells me that most FPS players really dont care that much for pointer controls as some fans would like to think

Probably. The market doesn't support the idea that its a perfect shooter interface. If there was strong cross-over the Wii FPS games ought to sell proportionately better than they do relative to the Xbox 360 and PS3.


That would only apply if all other factors were equal. Until more quality FPS show up, and have the features of the other systems' games, and have the marketing (not just quantity but quality) the factors are not equal, so it is not valid to assume the market just doesn't like the control.

If theres a strong market for a genre then terrible games if they are without direct competion on a system ought to do better than expected. If there isn't a strong market or theres a lot of competition then a good/great game can do worse than expected. In spite of whatever quality you may ascribe to them, most shooter games haven't done particularly well on the Wii especially in light of the supposedly 'better' interface. So until I see otherwise, I will presume that outside of novelty the Wiimote style interface has proved no more interesting in a long term context than dual analogue sticks.



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scottie on 17 September 2010
Squilliam said:
scottie said:
Squilliam said:
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Well basically, imagine the Wiimote is like a keyboard and mouse. Then imagine the keyboard can fit in your hand, and you dont have to put up with the hassle of using wasd (or, God forbid, using the arrows to turn) and then imagine the keyboard can also be used as a mouse.

 

What do you mean by less reliable?

I already know what the Wii is, except for the fact that the Wii shooter games have a bounding box and turning does represent a hassle whereas the PC mouse doesn't have that issue. Besides, I have no more love for KB and mouse than I do for a controller, im not that anal. I use what works.

Less reliable = jumpy crosshair and sometimes unregistered motion or unintended motion.

 

Jumpy crosshair is almost certainly caused by the sun. Is your TV next to a window?

 

I've encountered unregistered motion in a couple of games, but never in a top quality game, leading me to believe that is caused by coding errors, and I have never had problems with unintended motion*.

 

* Actually, that's a lie. In the level of SMG2 where you spin the Wiimote or nunchuk to flip platforms, I killed myself by scratching my chin, twice. Don't know that we can blame the Wii for that though



LordTheNightKnight on 17 September 2010
Squilliam said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:
oniyide said:

@squilliam  someone who sees the Wii controller the way I do.  People are so quick to jump on the whole Wiimote is better for FPSs. I have one and I dont see it. The turning still sucks, but everyone some forgets to mention that. the pointing is better but thats about it. They improved in one area and went way down in another so I say analogs/Wiimote is about even. Also if the pointer controls were so great, why the hell dont FPSs do better on Wii?? Why do multiplat FPSs not even come near the HD counterparts?? that tells me that most FPS players really dont care that much for pointer controls as some fans would like to think

Probably. The market doesn't support the idea that its a perfect shooter interface. If there was strong cross-over the Wii FPS games ought to sell proportionately better than they do relative to the Xbox 360 and PS3.


That would only apply if all other factors were equal. Until more quality FPS show up, and have the features of the other systems' games, and have the marketing (not just quantity but quality) the factors are not equal, so it is not valid to assume the market just doesn't like the control.

If theres a strong market for a genre then terrible games if they are without direct competion on a system ought to do better than expected. If there isn't a strong market or theres a lot of competition then a good/great game can do worse than expected. In spite of whatever quality you may ascribe to them, most shooter games haven't done particularly well on the Wii especially in light of the supposedly 'better' interface. So until I see otherwise, I will presume that outside of novelty the Wiimote style interface has proved no more interesting in a long term context than dual analogue sticks.


That assumes the market is for the genre, regardless of the quality, not for good games, that happen to be of that genre. Or are you implying the Wii market is supposed to be scrambling for scraps when starved? That is the logic of your comment, and shows why people like Malstrom, and me, hate this mindset that developers can just wag the customers by controlling the supply end.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

megaman79 on 17 September 2010

Fox News is less biased than videogame media, whats happening now doesn't really change the equation at all. If anything, its simply promotional journalism because thats how its being sold in the PR war between Sony and MS this christmas.

NOW, if the 3DS is really launched this Christmas, well now theres a fight Nintendo are willing to get involved with, and id bet Sony wouldn't be ready to handle it.


Don't worry about it. By Christmas time kids will still want the Wii more, parents will still buy the cheaper option and pretty much nobody (i mean the mainstream audience) will give two shits about whether its in HD, whether its more accurate or whether Resident Evil 5 and Heavy Rain work with it.


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“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.