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@Kasz216  where did I say I was the average customer. Looking at my game library for Wii I know im not, but I don care I buy what I want not what millions of other sheep do



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oniyide said:

@Kasz216  where did I say I was the average customer. Looking at my game library for Wii I know im not, but I don care I buy what I want not what millions of other sheep do


No. People didn't buy a bunch of games just because other people were. That might apply to politics or seeing The Passion (there were some reports of actual peer pressure on people to see that movie), but with games, people buy those because they wanted them.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

oniyide said:

@mike_intellivison  I understand about the Ninty experience. I was only quoting sales to show that Wii Fit sells better than any of Ninty's core titles.  I said I dont care about sales cause I knew someone was going to come and say "but those PS3 games dont sell as much as Wii games" I buy games for me. I dont care what 20mil people buy. I have Wii and outside of Galaxy 2 I dont own any of those games none of them appeal to me


Wii Fit/Wii Fit Plus are unique in that they have been/often been grouped with hardware that is available no where else. So to get the Balance Board, you bought the Wii Fit. That's why I included the EA Active fitness game for comparison, which was sold as such in sporting goods such and the like.  

Related to this, Wii Fit/Wii Fit Plus have sold in Japan about the same amount as the PS3. Does this mean that fitness games are more meaningful to the Japanese than every PS3 title?

That all being said, you have the right idea at the end -- buy the games you like and enjoy them. That is what gaming is to be all about. 

 

Mike from Morgantown



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV

gergroy said:
mike_intellivision said:

@oniyide and @tyig

I think you -- like Pacther and Take 2 are missing the point. There is a Nintendo experience which many people value.

Also, you can't have it both ways -- saying you don't care about sales and then quoting sales.

Also, Mario Kart 22M, NSMB 15M, SSBB 9M, SMG 8M, Zelda 5M, AC almost 4M, SMG2 almost 4M have all sold more than EA Sports Active (3.37M).

Wii Fit/Wii Fit Plus have sold gangbusters (22M and 13M) -- Move and Kinect would be fortunate to reach the same peripheral penetration level.

 Mike from Morgantown

I don't think move and kinect will have that much of a problem really, as it seems like sony and microsoft are looking at these peripherals as a new hardware launch.  We are already seeing console bundles and I wouldn't be surprised to see those hardware bundles becoming permanent.


I think that there will be a rush for these -- especially Kinect -- in the short-run. But I don't think the bundles are going to be the norm for sales as a lot of the traditional buyers for these consoles (especially the 360) have expressed very strong negative feelings related to motion control.

The real  is whether there will be enough of a mass for third party developers to get interested in the long-run. Related to this, is if the buyers of Move and Kinect show the purchasing patterns of not buying many games generally associated (generally falsely) with Wii owners, that would further discourage software development. That in turn would limit software sales. That could be a deadly cycle.

Mike from Morgantown



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV

LordTheNightKnight said:
oniyide said:

@Kasz216  where did I say I was the average customer. Looking at my game library for Wii I know im not, but I don care I buy what I want not what millions of other sheep do


No. People didn't buy a bunch of games just because other people were. That might apply to politics or seeing The Passion (there were some reports of actual peer pressure on people to see that movie), but with games, people buy those because they wanted them.

What? Those problems apply to every other medium EXCEPT games? C'mon now.  This is of course anecdotal, but I know a crap ton of people who became more interested in COD when they realized how many of their friends had it.  And it was some times an artificial level of wanting, which faded after the media circus dies down for a bit.  Of course others still love it.  The fact of the matter is that people can often be led like sheep.  Always? No.  Most of time, probably not.  But they can.  And it is easier the easier you make it for them.



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NYANKS said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
oniyide said:

@Kasz216  where did I say I was the average customer. Looking at my game library for Wii I know im not, but I don care I buy what I want not what millions of other sheep do


No. People didn't buy a bunch of games just because other people were. That might apply to politics or seeing The Passion (there were some reports of actual peer pressure on people to see that movie), but with games, people buy those because they wanted them.

What? Those problems apply to every other medium EXCEPT games? C'mon now.  This is of course anecdotal, but I know a crap ton of people who became more interested in COD when they realized how many of their friends had it.  And it was some times an artificial level of wanting, which faded after the media circus dies down for a bit.  Of course others still love it.  The fact of the matter is that people can often be led like sheep.  Always? No.  Most of time, probably not.  But they can.  And it is easier the easier you make it for them.


I'm not saying peer pressure purchases don't exist, but to assume that majority if sales comes from that is risky.

Plus it shows that the core gamers are slaves to fads in gaming, NOT the Wii audience.

BTW, Malstrom made an interesting point about the guy using his son as evidence. If he had actual market research to back up his claim, he would use that, not an anecdote. This I agree, because you can't use personal evidence when you are dealing with tens of millions of potential customers, and putting all that money on the line.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
NYANKS said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
oniyide said:

@Kasz216  where did I say I was the average customer. Looking at my game library for Wii I know im not, but I don care I buy what I want not what millions of other sheep do


No. People didn't buy a bunch of games just because other people were. That might apply to politics or seeing The Passion (there were some reports of actual peer pressure on people to see that movie), but with games, people buy those because they wanted them.

What? Those problems apply to every other medium EXCEPT games? C'mon now.  This is of course anecdotal, but I know a crap ton of people who became more interested in COD when they realized how many of their friends had it.  And it was some times an artificial level of wanting, which faded after the media circus dies down for a bit.  Of course others still love it.  The fact of the matter is that people can often be led like sheep.  Always? No.  Most of time, probably not.  But they can.  And it is easier the easier you make it for them.


I'm not saying peer pressure purchases don't exist, but to assume that majority if sales comes from that is risky.

Plus it shows that the core gamers are slaves to fads in gaming, NOT the Wii audience.

BTW, Malstrom made an interesting point about the guy using his son as evidence. If he had actual market research to back up his claim, he would use that, not an anecdote. This I agree, because you can't use personal evidence when you are dealing with tens of millions of potential customers, and putting all that money on the line.

Oh the majority of people, of course not.  But I'm sure a lot people were swayed when Oprah made a big deal about it and gave them to all her audience for free lol.  It was the "it" thing for a while there, kinda stole that act from Apple for a bit haha.



oniyide said:

@Kasz216  where did I say I was the average customer. Looking at my game library for Wii I know im not, but I don care I buy what I want not what millions of other sheep do


I'd say you said you were an average customer where you tried to use your expierence as a reason for the average customer moving on.

You know.  It's kinda implied.  Like if Jeffery Dahmer said "soon everybody's going to be eating people if it becomes legal I know that's what I've been looking for!



@Kasz216  dont know where you got that, but when it comes to Wii im absolutely not an average consumer. I dont own any of there million sellers outside of Smash BRos & Galaxy 2 hell the game I play most on Wii is Bully



oniyide said:

@Kasz216  dont know where you got that, but when it comes to Wii im absolutely not an average consumer. I dont own any of there million sellers outside of Smash BRos & Galaxy 2 hell the game I play most on Wii is Bully


I got it from the fact that I talked about the common consumer... then to refute it you tried to bring in your own personal expierence... that Euraphoia later agreed with.

Otherwise said comment was completely pointless.